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December 4th, 2008 04:05 PM
10 "To many things went wrong that day not to be" Coincidence I think not.
December 4th, 2008 04:24 PM
1943 - 2009
I was posted to Fort Monroe, Virginia, when my Army unit heard news of the assassination. The Brass immediately began making plans to send one platoon from my company to Washington D.C. to take part in JFK's funeral. I was a member of that platoon.
So that's my sole claim to fame. I participated in JFK's funeral. I was one of the sentinels lining the procession route to Arlington Cemetery.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'll never know what really happened in my lifetime, but my grandson will. The files will be de-classified in 2038, 75 years after the assassination.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
December 4th, 2008 04:35 PM
I was in the 2nd grade water fountain line after the afternoon recess when I overheard a couple of teachers discussing it. Got home from school that day and my mother was watching the event unfold on television.
I was a bit put out that Captain Kangaroo and Mighty Mouse were preempted for the funeral that Saturday. I did watch it all however because we'd just been to Washington D.C. the previous summer and I saw all the sights again. I probably saw you on TV Terry.
I'm a bit skeptical that Oswald accomplished the thing alone.
December 4th, 2008 04:40 PM
Conspiracy? 1. Paranoia on this forum? 8, and rising quickly lately.
I've actually read quite a bit on how and why conspiracy theories exist - I find it infinitely more interesting than the almost always ridiculous, hare-brained conspiracy theories themselves. I suggest some of you spend half as much time reading about why you think there was a conspiracy (in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary) as you do reading the theories themselves...
Oh, and my JFK day was January 28th, 1986.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
December 4th, 2008 04:55 PM
Challenger... yeah I can tell you exactly what I was doing too. I was always an aviation nut and I "happened" to need to go to the bathroom just before launch and was walking down the hall at school and "happened" to peak into a classroom of a cool teacher that allowed his class to watch the launch to watch it.
Originally Posted by OPFOR
December 4th, 2008 04:57 PM
I'll never forget my wife calling me about the Challenger. Even now, when I recall the tone in her voice it still grabs me.
Originally Posted by OPFOR
Conspiracy? I just don't know. Too much conflicting information and lack of information/mishandled investigation after. Oswald making the shot? Can't quite buy it. But, who knows?
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
December 4th, 2008 05:02 PM
I was 20 at the time; no conspiracy. None. Nada.
The President's two brother held positions of power either at the time or immediately thereafter. Bobby was the Attorney General. Don't you think these men would have gotten to the bottom of a conspiracy had there been one.
Governor Connelly of Texas, shot while riding in the front seat of the car, just in front of The President, lived for many years thereafter. He was a powerful and influential man. Don't you think he would have gotten to the bottom of a conspiracy?
Mrs. Connelly, outlived her husband and has publicly stated many times that she believed Oswald did it by himself.
Author, and former DA (prosecuted Charlie Manson) wrote a book debunking the conspiracy theories.
The wildest of these were promoted by Hollywood Director/Producer Oliver Stone---if memory serves correctly. He put out a film that seemed to support the ravings of a lunatic prosecutor from LA (New Orleans) who actually did prosecute alleged conspirators; and got nowhere at trial.
Oswald did it alone. All it takes to change the world is one bad person; sometimes one good person.
Conspiracies all have one fatal flaw. Participants blab. No way this one could have remained a secret for 45 years if more than one person was involved.
December 4th, 2008 07:08 PM
December 4th, 2008 08:25 PM
I was home from kindygarten,living in Salina Ks. Dad was in the USAF I heard my mom say something and went in the living room where I watched the report on the TV,the whole country was in shock and that is why they guard the president the way they do now,I was watching a show called Dallas Swat and they were backup security for the George W presidential motorcade in Tx. when his chopper flew out of the airport they actually had 3 leave in different directions at the same time
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
December 4th, 2008 08:35 PM
I will recommend a book about the JFK assassination entitled "Mortal Error" written by Bonar Menniger. Amazon.com/Mortal Error Book. This book really sums the whole thing up. It explaines the "Magic Bullet" crap (when the Presidential Limo is viewed from above, the seats that Gov. Connely and his wife were sitting in are "jump" seats. They could be bolted into and removed from the car for different seating configurations. They are more towards the center of the car and roughly a foot or two lower than the seats Kennedy and his wife were sitting in. When this is taken into account, the wound channels on Kennedy and Connely line up in a straight line. The "Magic Bullet" did not turn in mid air or do anything unusual.), and also explains why the round that Oswald fired that passed through Kennedy and Connely remained intact, but the round that struck Kennedy's head, from behind, shattered causing the massive head wound seen in the film.
Originally Posted by ppkheat
The simple answer is, Oswald go off 2 shots, one missed entirely and the other was the "Magic Bullet". The round that hit Kennedy in the head was an AD from an AR-15 held by a Secret Service agent named George Hickey in the chase car. Kind explains the cover up on the whole thing doesn't it? The Government wouldn't want to explain how one of the SS agents in the motorcade accidentally shot the President in the head. It also explains why the 3rd shot sounded different on the recording and why the rounds acted so differently and caused drastically differing damage. The round Oswald fired was a full metal jacket Nato ball round, the round the Hickey AD'ed into Kennedy's head was a soft nosed .223 round. It did exactly what it was supposed to do and was designed to do.
The author, Bonar Menniger, is a ballistics expert and it took him many years to write the book and feel 100% sure enough to have it published. I urge anyone who is interested in the truth about the Kennedy assassination to read this book. Once you do, you will understand what happened in Dallas that day.
December 4th, 2008 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by OPFOR
Maybe Booth was in a conspiracy when he assassinated Lincoln. The Garfield and McKinley assassinations were also conspiracies according the tin foil crowd. Don't forget MLK. The Cuban mafia killed MLK!
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I was a young child at my grandparent's house when it happened.
December 4th, 2008 08:46 PM
# 10. no doubt in my mind.
JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
I've read about this guy, and just as he describes, there he is walking away from the grassy knoll, hand in coat, and carry a case.... while everyone else is ducking, looking and running to the knoll. Many of the things this guy says seems to have been verified, at least to some degree. He claims to be the shooter in the grassy knoll, and how it all worked, where people were, etc. Everything the guy says about the grassy knoll.... I've seen myself in pics' , frame by frame, of that day.
When working in Houston in Oct 1969, the "old" Dallas Police Chief says on TV he was tired of it, had his family in hiding due to threats, and was going to tell everything he knew about the Kennedy assasination and all the things that had been hidden, conspiracy, etc. 2 days from the broadcast. Then, nothing more was heard about it, nor him that I know of.
I was in 8th grade class... and the teacher came in 15 minutes late and told us. She hardly got the words out. I too was watching TV, on a Sunday morning, watching this guy in the crowd who caught my eye... and then he walked up and shot Oswald. I ran in and told my parents about it, and at first... they didn't believe me.
December 4th, 2008 08:49 PM
I was in second grade class when an older neighbor kid told me the President was dead !Of course, I thought he was pulling my leg until my teacher told us
when we came back in from lunch.Times were different then the country shut down for 4 days until the President was buried.We only had 3 channels on T.V.
and his funeral and police catching Oswald and his shooting filled the air waves.
December 4th, 2008 08:50 PM
Good for the country? Um...yeah.
I wasn't around yet but I did a paper on the famous JFK for high school thinking I was researching one of America's greatest presidents. (hey, that's what they tell you in school!)
Turns out he was a damn fool interested in socialism and cocoonism. We could have skipped everything from 1959 to 1979 and been better for it.
My entire class was surprised at my report, and I think the teacher thought I'd turned into one of those "radical republicans" overnight.
My family wasn't too political so this was a real eye opener to me.
As far as the Where Were You, I can say my dad and grandpa were re-roofing a house and listening to a radio. He says they paused a minute to listen then went back to work. Didn't affect them putting food on the table so it wasn't a big deal.
Again though, good riddance to bad rubbish.
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December 4th, 2008 08:52 PM
I can give you the single biggest reason why Files is not telling the truth. Kennedy was shot in the head from behind, not from the front. The entry wound in the back of the head is small, .223 sized and the exit would in the front right on the head is large.
Entry wounds are not larger than exit wounds! We are all gun enthusiasts here. Why do so many people not understand the physics of bullet wounds? If Kennedy had been hit in the head from the front, or "grassy knoll" the would in the front right of the skull would have been roughly the same size and the caliber round that hit him and the exit would in the back would have been large, but that is exactly opposite to what actually happened.
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