The Coming Swarm

The Coming Swarm

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    The Coming Swarm

    Please excuse me if this post is not in the right place. I wasn't sure where to put it.
    Interesting article on the Op Ed page of the New York Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/op...5arquilla.html

    If the the population is armed, there is more of a chance of us Americans defending ourselves against this kind of threat. With this possibility we have to start thinking that the "Well regulated militia", is us . . . those of us that choose to "bear arms".

    Just a thought.
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    "This is consistent with existing notions of community-based policing, and could even include an element of outreach to residents similar to that undertaken in the Sunni areas of Iraq even if it were to mean taking the paradoxical turn of negotiating with gangs about security."

    If something ever happened where I live, the gangs would be too busy going house to house terrorizing everyone. I'm not sure I would turn to the local gangs for protection!

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    The US isn't Iraq...I don't see gangs being utilized in any shape or form. Realistically, they are local terrorists as it is. They will contribute to the CRIME not the solution. Same crap spewed from the NY Times as always. I'd just assume wipe my backside with their liberal rag than read it.
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    I, for one, will sleep much better at night knowing a bunch of crack dealing thugs are watching over me.
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    Why do they want to arm crack heads. (I know they didn't say they wanted to arm them but how else would they fight terrorists) but not one mention of training and arming law abiding citizens.
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    Sounds to me like the writer is trying to justify HObama's civilian police force idea......in the name of Homeland Security.
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    The premise for this type of attack was included as part of a Tom Clancy novel in 2003; Clancy put forth a very believable senario for this type of attack occuring. The senario was several small groups coming across the Southern border dispersing then simultaneously attacking several upscale shopping malls with small arms (no this is not a Gecko45 reference). The senario was a daylight attack mid week when the malls were likely only populated by women and preschool children; the terrorists hoping to minimize the likelihood of resistance while inflicting the most tragic images of murder. Well that was a novel ... a 1994 novel by Clancy had a idealouge madman fly a 747 into the US Capitol killing thousands ... Clancy scares me.
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    What he is talking about in this editorial is that if the United States were to be attacked again, it would probably be an attack like the one in Mumbai. He continues to say that current methods of responding to terrorist attacks by using a large force from a central location is not effective. The point of the article is that smaller groups of law enforcement scattered throughout areas of possible attack would be more effective in response to such an attack.

    It might be a good idea to read the article before denouncing it just because it came from the New York Times. The best defense is to be open to all possibilities and that means going beyond our own prejudices and not be blinded by our own limits because an effective attack will go beyond what is usual.

    Secondly, I don't know where you got the idea of Crack Gangs from this article. Nowhere does it mention these gangs.

    ALSO; The point of my post was to point out that we who carry daily are in many cases the ones most easily to respond to these attacks. If there were a few people in Mumbai that had concealed weapons on them when these gunmen appeared, the outcome would probably had been quite different.
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    Suuuuuure,the gangs would sell out to the highest bidder LOL they don't give a crap about nothing but making money
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    Interesting article only in the pretext of smaller terrorist groups hitting more targets inside the U.S. of A. In our mid size city here we have received funding from HLS for just such purposes, to organize and react to a terrorist hit of some type. We like every other country have just to much open area to stop them up front, so reaction to a hit is all we can plan for and how fast and with the proper response to that hit.

    Having folks armed is one thing, but having folks armed and they know what to do is another. Having Joe/Jane Average with his sig, glock or whatever out there running around shooting at everything that comes up in his/her sights is not a help in my book, but an hinderance. I have two problems to look out for, the terrorist and a homegrown Rambo wannebe.

    We have groups that train for just such a thing whether it's your local gun club or former military folks in the area that have gotten to together, but they are out their and if not, start a group, take one day a month and train for scenarios that could come up, sure you won't be experts, but at least you will have some inkling of what do to if it should happen.

    I don't mean to go find the crazy groups either, the we'll take on anyone or were bad to the bone type of attitudes. It's a low profile group your looking for.

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    This is consistent with existing notions of community-based policing, and could even include an element of outreach to residents similar to that undertaken in the Sunni areas of Iraq even if it were to mean taking the paradoxical turn of negotiating with gangs about security.
    Good grief.

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    I did read the article
    "even if it were to mean taking the paradoxical turn of negotiating with gangs about security."

    And I didn't denounce the article. I don't believe I was prejudices or blinded by my own limits when I compared gang members to crack heads or that I think it would be smarter to train and arm law abiding people.
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    does the author had nothing to write at the moment, or what does the article even try to imply become a police state? I make no sense out of it.
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    I think they where just trying to point out that smaller more mobile and dispersed units are more affective and quicker to deploy against small quick attacks such as are favored by guerrillas and terrorists. The authors ideas about how to execute such activities was a bit baffling.

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    Having folks armed is one thing, but having folks armed and they know what to do is another. Having Joe/Jane Average with his sig, glock or whatever out there running around shooting at everything that comes up in his/her sights is not a help in my book, but an hinderance. I have two problems to look out for, the terrorist and a homegrown Rambo wannebe.
    I don't think anyone is suggesting Rambo action. This is what anti second amendment advocates want us to believe will happen but it seems to be proven time and again that it doesn't. It's sort of the "Blood will run in the streets" or "wild west shootout will be everywhere" mentality.

    I have firearms and will protect myself and my family from ANY form of attacker in ANY location. That doesn't mean I'm going to put on my black pajamas and try to rush out to some kind of incident I saw on the news but if I'm there and no one can stop them but me, why wouldn't I try to save my own life and possibly the lives of others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyghost View Post
    I think they where just trying to point out that smaller more mobile and dispersed units are more affective and quicker to deploy against small quick attacks such as are favored by guerrillas and terrorists. The authors ideas about how to execute such activities was a bit baffling.
    I see, it's the NY times I hope it was just slow news for them.
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