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    Anti Obama sign

    Man gets pulled over for having an anti Obama sign.

    Police take, return Oklahoma man's anti-Obama sign
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    OKLAHOMA CITY - Policemen pulled over a man with a sign in his pickup truck window that read "Abort Obama, not the unborn" and confiscated the placard, but later returned it after police supervisors found the officers' actions "overzealous."

    "The officer said, 'Do you know why I pulled you over?'" Hal "Chip" Harrison said. "I said I had no idea, and he said that the sign could be construed by the Secret Service as a threat to the president.

    "I thought, 'this is something from Nazi Germany, not in Oklahoma."'

    Two police officers stopped the 53-year-old Oklahoma City construction worker last week as he drove to work.

    They took the sign and notified the local field office for the Secret Service.

    "The bottom line is the officer was a little overzealous in terms of what the sign meant," said Capt. Steve McCool, a spokesman for Oklahoma City Police Department. "He made a decision based on his determination, and once the supervisor got involved, we returned the sign to him."

    Harrison said U.S. Secret Service agents interviewed him at his home and walked through his house.

    Adrian Andrews, special agent in charge of the Secret Service's Oklahoma City field office, said agents determined Harrison was not a threat.

    "He was a little agitated that the Oklahoma City Police Department took his sign," Andrews said. "But he understood we have an obligation to check these things out.

    "I send my agents to check out every one of these, to find out and dig a little bit deeper."

    Harrison said he's no fan of Obama's but that his homemade sign was a political statement opposing abortion, not a threat to Obama. He said he usually has one or two people every day who see the sign and give him a "thumbs up" as he's driving down the road.

    Harrison said the sign is back up in his truck, and that he's considering whether to pursue a civil matter against the police department for what he considers a violation of his right to free speech.

    Andrews said he would not encourage anyone to put a similar sign on their vehicle.

    "There are better ways to make a political statement than to say 'Abort Obama,'" Andrews said. "That's going to get our attention every time.

    "We'd rather be safe than sorry."
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    I agree abort Obama.

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    Well, it is not only the 2nd amendment that is in danger !!!
    We are getting in deep ... trouble fast.
    I hope this guy fights it in court.
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    my god. What have we allowed ourselves to come to?
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    I agree. The statement's implied threat got the attention, not the political content.

    "There are better ways to make a political statement than to say 'Abort Obama,'" Andrews said. "That's going to get our attention every time.
    A fact is a fact. And, with a sitting president, something that can be construed to be a threat can, and should be, at least minimally investigated. There are legitimate threats to every president. It's ludicrous to not believe some of them are serious. And so it goes.

    Similar but perhaps more suitable (though without some of the intended punch): "Abortion is an Obamanation." Similar twist on the words, minus the implied threat.

    About the same difference as "Trespassers shot," as compared to "Offend me or mine and you die." Or, any of the "political" statements about prying my cold, dead hands (which is a statement of dedication to the cause), versus actions that should be taken against others (which is an implied threat).

    If you act, walk and smell like a duck ... expect to be treated like a duck, at least until shown to be otherwise. Simple reality. (Not "papers please.")
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    I wonder how many people would get pulled over for an Abort Bush sign,The officer not only stomped all over his rights he had no right to take the sign.
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    You have to wonder who the LEO voted for.........
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    "Change" is here and 54% of voting americans wanted it. of course just over 60% of americans vote so 33% of that 60% wanted "change" yet put into perspective that means roughly 1/3 of americans voted for our president.


    does this concern anyone but me?
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    I bet they would have left him alone if it said abort babies....

    How sad for our country, but that's just another reason we have to diligently guard our freedoms, including those of the unborn.
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    I agree with the content and intent of the sign, but I'm gonna have to stick up for the cop on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    my god. What have we allowed ourselves to come to?
    Unrelated, but this is another one that should give you an idea of what we've come to...
    " Politicians are calling for a federal law to save Internet users' records for police use
    Law would apply to all Internet providers and operators of millions of Wi-Fi spots
    It would require providers to keep records for two years to aid police investigations"
    Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police - CNN.com
    (CNET) -- Republican politicians on Thursday called for a sweeping new federal law that would require all Internet providers and operators of millions of Wi-Fi access points, even hotels, local coffee shops, and home users, to keep records about users for two years to aid police investigations.
    So they even want YOU to store all your records of every potential user that could have possibly used your home internet for up to two years for them to investigate if they feel the need.... Nice huh?

    Got one of those nifty-neato wifi routers so you can peruse the web from a wireless laptop at home... Yep it includes you.
    Got a regular old fashioned wired one with DHCP enabled...yup you're included too...and the list goes on.

    The downward spiral is only getting worse.
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    Source: http://www.consource.org/index.asp?bid=574

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    Chip Harrison admits he's no fan of President Barack Obama, but he never dreamed the homemade anti-abortion sign in his pickup window would bring Secret Service agents to his door.

    Chip Harrison, 53, talks about a traffic stop in another vehicle, in which police confiscated his "Abort Obama Not The Unborn" sign and called U.S. Secret Service about the sign's potentially threatening message. By Jaconna Aguirre

    Feb 20 Oklahoma City police pull a man over, then remove an anti-Obama sign from his vehicle.

    Harrison's sign, “Abort Obama Not the Unborn,” was taken from him by Oklahoma City police but later returned. He was cleared as a potential presidential threat.
    But a week after the traffic stop that led police to confiscate his sign, the construction worker's name was appearing on national Web sites, and telephone calls supporting his First Amendment rights and his views against abortion were coming from people across the country.
    With a 2-year-old special needs daughter at home, Harrison, 53, said he is passionate about the issue of abortion. But when he was stopped on Feb. 12, he couldn't believe what was happening.
    Harrison had no idea why police pulled him over.
    “I wasn't speeding,” he said Thursday. “I didn't make any traffic violations. Then they said it was because of the sign in the back of my truck.”
    Sgt. Philip Paz and officer Bryan Jones told him the Secret Service could construe the sign as a threat to the president.
    Police released an incident report, but citing department policy, did not release photos of the officers involved.
    “I was really shocked because all the anti-Bush bumper stickers I've seen seem to have been a lot more threatening to the president than that sign,” Harrison said.
    Harrison said he and the officers discussed what the word “abort” means.
    “I said ‘abort' means to terminate or remove, and one of the officers said, ‘No, abort means to kill, so basically you are saying to kill the president,'” Harrison recalled.
    Officers took the sign and notified the local field office of the Secret Service. Capt. Steve McCool, police spokesman, said Thursday that the sign was taken from Harrison in error, and Oklahoma City residents should not worry that their First Amendment rights will be violated.
    “The bottom line is the officer was a little overzealous in terms of what the sign meant,” McCool said.
    But McCool did not criticize the decision to stop the vehicle or notify the Secret Service.
    Adrian Andrews, special agent in charge of the Secret Service's Oklahoma City office, said his department checks out all such potential threats. Agents determined Harrison was not a threat, but Andrews said he does not encourage such signs.
    “There are better ways to make a political statement than to say ‘Abort Obama,'” Andrews said. “That's going to get our attention every time.”
    Issue hits home
    Harrison said his desire to speak out against abortion started about two years ago, when he and his wife learned their unborn daughter had a “serious problem.”
    “I was counseled to consider an abortion on her,” he said. “That's why it's important to me. I believe that the Lord put the abortion issue on my heart to make a statement.
    My wife and I are both Christians, and we believe that life begins at conception, so abortion was not an option for us.”
    Six surgeries later, his daughter has some problems and is developmentally behind, but he cannot imagine life without her.
    “You can love an imperfect child just as much as a perfect one,” he said.
    Harrison said he plans to put the sign back in his pickup. He is not considering legal action, nor is he asking for an apology — just a more “believable” explanation.
    “What the officers were thinking, I can't even begin to imagine,” he said. “To me this is a violation of my First Amendment rights. ... I've been passed by different police officers, sheriff's deputies and the highway patrol, and nobody's ever said anything.”
    Until last week.
    Contributing: The Associated Press
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I wonder how many people would get pulled over for an Abort Bush sign,The officer not only stomped all over his rights he had no right to take the sign.
    Well said.

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    On todays news they said the police returned the sign and apologised for stopping him in the first place. I think the color of the president has some people on edge.
    Its a shame that youth is wasted on the young.

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