What will you consider is "crossing the line" by the government or the media?

What will you consider is "crossing the line" by the government or the media?

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  • Yes, I am ready now to take leave from work, and family, and join a cause to stop the degredation of American values.

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  • I am not ready yet, but when the "line is crossed", I will join the rest of you to champion the American way of life.

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  • No, I will probably not do anything. I would rather wait and see what happens.

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    What will you consider is "crossing the line" by the government or the media?

    What will be the "final straw" for you to take some sort of action either political or otherwise? When will "enough be enough" for you to take off from work and protest in the streets?

    Do you have a "line in the sand" in you or will you wait and see?

    I was doing some thinking about this subject and while Googling Freedom vs. License, I came across this among other thoughts.

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    Freedom and license

    The difference between freedom and license? I remember that I studied it in society class of elementary school. But many people don’t seem to know it so that they may misunderstand the meaning of freedom and emphasize individualism and hedonism as a freedom. One of the definitions of freedom says “human freedom does not transcend taboo.” Of course that taboo can be judged by zeitgeist but there’s an absolute boundary for the rule. Then what is the rule these days? In other words, where is the borderland between freedom and license?

    The law, ethics, and etiquette. Each of them have their own advantage. The law is mandatory but not complete as it judges righteous for bad things in ethics. Ethics is a little bit subjective and does not compel us to keep it. Etiquette is various culture by culture so it cannot be the standard.

    And then, what is the answer for the question? The reason is, RESPONSIBILITY. That means freedom involves the responsibility for his or her saying and doing. He is dissolute guy who doesn’t do even what they say. Freedom makes influence with trust but license destroys relationship. Let freedom be the chance to change.


    I am even asking myself at this point in history how far must my beliefs in the American values of my youth, and those of generations before us be dismissed until something is done and by whom?

    We discuss many of these items on the forums but when will the organizations that we endorse call us into visible peaceful protest and will you answer the call?
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    I'm retired, I already bug the daylights out of my Representatives every time they cross the line, heck they know me by my first name......
    Heck 5 more phone calls and they may make me register as a lobby....
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    What will be the "final straw" for you to take some sort of action either political or otherwise? When will "enough be enough" for you to take off from work and protest in the streets?

    Do you have a "line in the sand" in you or will you wait and see?
    If protesting in the streets is the answer to your "final straw"...we're in for a long, long, LOONNNGG, rough road ahead because NOTHING will change.
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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    Chroode,

    I guess I would need more information from you in order to answer the question. What particular "values" are you referring to. Since America doesn't have any values itself, only the people that inhabit the country have the actual values, you would be protesting against your neighbors.

    What "way of life" are you referring to. My way of life is far different than many others and visa versa. I don't mind driving my old but paid for automobiles or the fact that I still ride a 3 wheeler when everyone else has a 4 wheeler in the woods.

    These terms are way to general and don't really lend themselves to taking a stand as you are asking.

    I am saddened and disappointed by things that I see happening in this country. Sure I am. Can the American people change it if they feel like it. Yep, at the voting booth and with their $ at the market place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Chroode,

    I guess I would need more information from you in order to answer the question. What particular "values" are you referring to. Since America doesn't have any values itself, only the people that inhabit the country have the actual values, you would be protesting against your neighbors.

    What "way of life" are you referring to. My way of life is far different than many others and visa versa. I don't mind driving my old but paid for automobiles or the fact that I still ride a 3 wheeler when everyone else has a 4 wheeler in the woods.

    These terms are way to general and don't really lend themselves to taking a stand as you are asking.

    I am saddened and disappointed by things that I see happening in this country. Sure I am. Can the American people change it if they feel like it. Yep, at the voting booth and with their $ at the market place.
    Why does someone always have to split hairs over one word or general phrase in a post?
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    Don't know if I am splitting hairs or not, but the folks that have answered yes they are ready to leave work/family whatever are going to look awfull silly marching along the streets in protest of some undefined thing they are fed up with.

    Not wanting to sidetrack the thread or get into banned territory, but for example I have no problem standing in the Chain of Life as a demonstration along a major roadway against that one issue that is contrary to my beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    Why does someone always have to split hairs over one word or general phrase in a post?
    Because words matter. Ideas are conveyed with words and the words must be carefully chosen to communicate properly.

    I read the question and could not figure out what the OP was asking. I take action every time there is an election. I vote.

    I am particularly amused at those calling for revolution. If there was sufficient support for a revolution then we would have no problem voting the miscreants out of office. The truth is that any internal uprising would be quickly crushed.

    It is also amusing that some think the 'tea parties' are in any way menaingful. We had a 'tea party' last November, tens of millions showed up and were narrowly defeated. The main problem is that liberals and democrats are one with their goal of socialism and unbridled government control. The other group is split among the fringe libertarians and conservatives, so the conservatives lose elections. When the libertarians finally realize that their interests are better served aligning themselves with the principles of the Founders rather than the defeated ideals of the anti-Federalists then, and only then, will we have a chance to regain our nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post



    I am particularly amused at those calling for revolution. If there was sufficient support for a revolution then we would have no problem voting the miscreants out of office. The truth is that any internal uprising would be quickly crushed.

    I too think we are a ways away from calling citizens to arms. Most would not give themselves and their safety too the task anyway and would run at the first adversity faced.


    It is also amusing that some think the 'tea parties' are in any way menaingful. We had a 'tea party' last November, tens of millions showed up and were narrowly defeated. The main problem is that liberals and democrats are one with their goal of socialism and unbridled government control. The other group is split among the fringe libertarians and conservatives, so the conservatives lose elections. When the libertarians finally realize that their interests are better served aligning themselves with the principles of the Founders rather than the defeated ideals of the anti-Federalists then, and only then, will we have a chance to regain our nation.
    The only thing a tea party would do is supply the White House with lots of tasty warm beverages. As far as the libertarians aligning themselves with the founders, I believe they are much to arrogant and feel to self entitled to do that. They have lost control for their ideals before and have not backed off.


    farronwolf
    ''Not wanting to sidetrack the thread or get into banned territory, but for example I have no problem standing in the Chain of Life as a demonstration along a major roadway against that one issue that is contrary to my beliefs.''

    And I'm sure I would stand beside you for at least most of those issues if not all.
    I asked the question because I have seen a lot of posts I was watching go by the wayside over the use of one word.
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    To see the line I have to crane my neck around and look behind us, all the way to November of 2008! That line was crossed a long time ago.
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    My definition of American Values and American way of life differ from what the majority of people think.

    The lines were crossed long ago, my people objected and were crushed and put on reservations, let that be an object lesson. I live my life as feels right for me. I try and not call attention to myself. If the government were to start raiding homes and confiscating weapons in mass around the country, I would quietly dissapear.

    I donate money to groups like the NRA and vote pro gun.

    If it gets to the point of revolt, we will have Anarchy with no true leaders, just a bunch of wanabe dictators. So who would you fight with or follow.

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    Enough is enough!

    "Lets Roll"

    Will be attending a Tea-party this April 15th. One sure thing about numbers, they count!
    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3

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    Cool As the original poster.....

    Values. I guess I am talking about the basics, sticking to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Ten Comandments, respect for authority (parents, teacher, police), the government not using everyones money for a few, the government not forcing the states to comply by withholding funding, The government actually cutting down on it's spending, the U.S. stop being the world's police, taking care of this country before trying to fix someone elses, making foriengers assimilate to become American not the other way around, utilizing money to house 250k homeless veterans before sending more to war, on, and on, and on.

    Sure your values are different from mine but as Americans we must have a common core values. We must be held together by a bond of the idea of Republic over Totalitarianism. Our country was born on freedom from government being present in every aspect of our lives. Sure there has to be some form of law, order, and oversight, but at what level does it become total government, total dictatorship.

    Even if the pollsters do not exactly know what they are voting for they are at least indicating that something is very wrong and they are now willing or at least soon will be wiiling to do something about it.

    As originally posted I am as uncertain about which of the issues are the most improtant and at which point enough is enough. I am pondering "what next" just like the next guy.

    But I will tell you that if the total eradication of the Constitution and Bill of Rights occurs whether due to adopting World Law as dictated by the U.N or some other means, than I will sacrifice, as the original signers of the Declaration of Independence from the King of England did when this country was formed. As a military member I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies . That oath did not end with my retirement.

    I sincerely hope that it will not come to this. I pray that all the indicators are wrong, and that we will prosper and live better than before, and life will go on exactly like the Founding Fathers invisioned it would.

    But if not ..........

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