Anyone here a VA Police Officer?

Anyone here a VA Police Officer?

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    Anyone here a VA Police Officer?

    Veterans Administration Police Officer?

    I'm interviewing for a position with the VA for Police Officer this coming Monday and am curious if anyone on this forum already does that....
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    I honestly didn't know the VA had their own police force. What exactly would you be doing?
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    Well, The ones I know of work VA Medical Hospitals, Facilities and Clinics.
    Biloxi, MS VA Hospital has their complete PD Force & Police Chief. For where I live I'm trying for the Mobile, AL VA Medical Clinic that comes under the Biloxi, MS Command.
    Kinda like an MP Counterpart for the prior/retired military community while on VA Property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    Well, The ones I know of work VA Medical Hospitals, Facilities and Clinics.
    Biloxi, MS VA Hospital has their complete PD Force & Police Chief. For where I live I'm trying for the Mobile, AL VA Medical Clinic that comes under the Biloxi, MS Command.
    Kinda like an MP Counterpart for the prior/retired military community while on VA Property.
    Yep. I know a couple.

    Full blown Federal LEOs.

    Up-graded from security officers to full police powers, a while back.

    However, a lot of door lock checking, and other related security officers type duties still performed.
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    DaveH; Any of them on this forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    DaveH; Any of them on this forum?
    Not that I am aware.

    Doubt it. Then with the screen names, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    Well, The ones I know of work VA Medical Hospitals, Facilities and Clinics.
    Biloxi, MS VA Hospital has their complete PD Force & Police Chief. For where I live I'm trying for the Mobile, AL VA Medical Clinic that comes under the Biloxi, MS Command.
    Kinda like an MP Counterpart for the prior/retired military community while on VA Property.
    In my opinion, VA Police can be what you make of it. They are all armed now, which is a relatively recent change. Authority is limited to VA Property, by statute. Primarily force protection/property security work, but anything can happen. Mississippi is a good example. Several years ago, a VA Doctor was shot and killed at the VA Hospital in Jackson. VA Police at the Jackson facility have been in a couple of shootings in recent years.

    The biggest "downside", in my opinion, is that they run their own, shortened police academy, instead of sending their Officers to FLETC. As a result, their training is not recognized by any other agencies.

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    Gonzo; Dunno about how it worked in the past but requirements now - for the one posted I'm trying for - is that you are a Veteran of course and also either had been an MP or a Police Officer for at least a year before being eligible - which means having finished either the Military Police Academy or a Police Academy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    Gonzo; Dunno about how it worked in the past but requirements now - for the one posted I'm trying for - is that you are a Veteran of course and also either had been an MP or a Police Officer for at least a year before being eligible - which means having finished either the Military Police Academy or a Police Academy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    ...Full blown Federal LEOs.
    Up-graded from security officers to full police powers, a while back. ...
    They may call themselves law enforcement officers, but they're really "federal agents", since the United States has no authority for law enforcement, a power reserved exclusively to the states. All federal "law enforcement officers" are limited to the exercise of power only in the United States, i.e., within the District of Columbia, in federal facilities (whether owned or leased), in federal territories, and on federal reservations. For example, in post offices, the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and in the George Washington National Forest.

    That's why they have to have a local LEO with them when they want to execute a warrant.

    So I'm thinking that within a VA hospital, these guys are pretty much security guards, though with arrest powers as long as they stay in the U.S. (as opposed to being in the state in which the hospital is located).
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    They may call themselves law enforcement officers, but they're really "federal agents", since the United States has no authority for law enforcement, a power reserved exclusively to the states. All federal "law enforcement officers" are limited to the exercise of power only in the United States, i.e., within the District of Columbia, in federal facilities (whether owned or leased), in federal territories, and on federal reservations. For example, in post offices, the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and in the George Washington National Forest.

    That's why they have to have a local LEO with them when they want to execute a warrant.

    So I'm thinking that within a VA hospital, these guys are pretty much security guards, though with arrest powers as long as they stay in the U.S. (as opposed to being in the state in which the hospital is located).
    This is not correct. Federal Law Enforcement, most of them anyway, have the ability to execute federal warrants without having local law enforcement present.

    In addition, many states (Indiana for example) also give certain federal agents power to enforce state laws in their criminal statutes as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    They may call themselves law enforcement officers, but they're really "federal agents", since the United States has no authority for law enforcement, a power reserved exclusively to the states. All federal "law enforcement officers" are limited to the exercise of power only in the United States, i.e., within the District of Columbia, in federal facilities (whether owned or leased), in federal territories, and on federal reservations. For example, in post offices, the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and in the George Washington National Forest.

    That's why they have to have a local LEO with them when they want to execute a warrant.

    So I'm thinking that within a VA hospital, these guys are pretty much security guards, though with arrest powers as long as they stay in the U.S. (as opposed to being in the state in which the hospital is located).
    You are incorrect, sir. Most federal Agents/Officers are not required to have a local law enforcement officer with them when they serve arrest/search warrants. It is often a wise idea, but not a legal requirement. And, as has just been pointed out, many states grant peace officer/police officer status to certain federal officers and agents.

    VA Police are a slightly different case. Their authority is restricted, by statute, to VA property (with the exception of some personnel who work out of their DC office). However, on the property, they are "police" in every sense of the word. They can write you a traffic ticket or arrest you, for federal or state offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    Gonzo; Dunno about how it worked in the past but requirements now - for the one posted I'm trying for - is that you are a Veteran of course and also either had been an MP or a Police Officer for at least a year before being eligible - which means having finished either the Military Police Academy or a Police Academy.
    That experience requirement is not uncommon for VA Police. Partially because they send you to a shortened academy. They are relying on hiring folks who have some experience to begin with. Like I said, it should be what you make of it. Some facilities are busy, some not so much. Definitely some static security posts invovled, but not all the time.
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    Well, yeah, I was talking about when the Constitution was still being given effect. The fact that they have the raw power to do what they do doesn't make it legal. However, the reference to Indiana law is a good one - Virginia has a similar provision, making federal agents working for specific departments, authorized to engage in law enforcement as and for the Commonwealth, which makes it a lawful execution of a warrant.
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