June 20th, 2009 03:09 PM
Thank you for the post. I will be sure to avoid Trader Joe's (unless they support a 2-state solution, that is).
I have nothing against Israel or Jews, and empathize with them for their treatment during WWII. However, it's the ultimate (and sad) irony that sufferers of the Warsaw Ghetto have now become the perpetrators of a modern-day Palestinian Ghetto.
The 2-state solution needs to move forward before that region has any chance of lasting peace.
'Be careful, even in small matters' - Miyamoto Musashi
June 20th, 2009 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Chevy-SS
As you see from all the posts, More are supporting Israel than not. By not going to Trader Joes is your right.When Terrorists hit the Western Countries and kill your children while dining out or going to school. I will still let you embrace them.
I am not against a 2 state solution, if there there is true peace. But the Palestinians teach hate in their text books to their children and still will not recognize the right of Israel to exist.
While your at it, why don't you also boycott any medication you take in America.
1. 1 out of 15 RX's drugs are Israeli made,
2. Cell Phones too since it was Israel Motorola that invented them.
3. Microsoft Software running your computer. , if you have them, get rid of them. Israel Microsoft invented it.
And those Memory sticks that fit on your key-chain, get rid of them as well
3. Call center technology. Israel invented the call center technology and provide over 25% through out the world, called NICE. If you need help and you get a service center, hang up, they are probably using what Israel invented.
4. The break through invention, a camera in a pill. Doctors will be able to see any intestinal problems without surgery. Tell your physician you would rather be slit open and have them look using that technology.
5. Be aware, Israel is second in developing patents, right behind the United States. If at any time, you are being treated for a life threatening illness, please ask your doctors first to see if it was an Israeli invention, so you can have the option to boycott it.
6. You get an infection, especially that is hard to treat, more than likely it was invented in Israel, Israel is the leading manufacture of antibiotics and generic drugs in the world.
7. If you use any type of instant messaging, please stop. It was invented by Israelis.
I don't mind you boycotting all Israeli products. Please do, but I bet you life would be a lot harsher and inconvenient.
Here is a link on Israeli contributions to the world.
And all of this was done in 60 years, When they got the land it was a POS wasteland.
"When the people fear the government you have tyranny...when the government fears the people you have liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson --
June 20th, 2009 05:57 PM
Until The US's manufacturing gets back to where it should be, I don't mind supporting those who support us.
Originally Posted by United93
NRA 2AF IDPA
Tactical Pistol Instructor
June 20th, 2009 07:52 PM
It appears that the new focus of American foreign policy is holding hands with the Arab/Muslim world.
Obama's Cairo speech signaled to Israel that she is on her own now.
Obama equated the Holocaust horror with Palestinian rights and alleged mistreatment. In reality, the corrupt Palestinian leadership is the root of Palestinian suffering.
Our current administration may have turned their back on our strongest ally (Israel), but there are millions of Americans who still support Israel......and I am one of them.
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. — Winston Churchill
June 20th, 2009 08:31 PM
This is very interesting.
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS..
I thought you would be interested in reading this..(What a constrast!)
How could the picture be 'painted' any more vividly?
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000
Only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE!
The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel'.
P.S.: The Muslims, using their always impeccable logic, would claim these statistics prove how discriminated against they really are!
And the Muslims want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth -- wow, what a difference that would make........
"Society never advances. It recedes as fast on one side as it gains on the other. It undergoes continual change; but this change is not [an improvement]. For everything that is given, something is taken."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
June 20th, 2009 08:37 PM
Wrong forum to dabate this but since it is up already
This is the wrong forum to debate this, but since it is up already it needs a response.
Originally Posted by Chevy-SS
Now, exactly why is it that Egypt which shares a border with Gaza keeps that border sealed? Are you willing to blame Egypt for the Ghettoization of Gaza?
Why was it that Jordan refused normal commerce and normal citizenship rights to the West Bank residents--thus creating and worsening the situation for people who should have had Jordanian citizenship rights. Tell me, exactly who created the ghetto?
Are you willing to blame both Egypt and Jordan for abandoning their citizens and renouncing them after they (Syria, Jordan, Egypt) lost a war they started, with Soviet collusion and encouragement? Palestinian outrage should be focused on Egypt and Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Those are the folks who created the mess. And my memory is long enough (I'll leave the actual research to you) that I recall the US caught (intercepted) a plot by the Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian governments to start the 1967 war and blame it on--who else--The United States. And for that our wonderful State Department decided the former King Hussein was a moderate :--
Are you aware that there was a two state solution accepted by Israel in 1947, and rejected by the Arab neighbors who immediately invaded, lost the war they started, and thus created the present situation. And are you aware that before this Jews inhabited the entire region West of the Jordan river?
Are you aware that there was a two state solution proposed by Bill Clinton when he was President, accepted by Israel, and rejected by the terrorist thug Arafat?
Are you aware that after that war 1947 the Arab nations either expelled or persecuted till they fled far more Jews than there ever were "Palestinian refugees?"
Are you aware that at some point in the 1970s or early 80s, I don't recall exactly, Ethiopia blackmailed the worldwide community to the tune of 5K per Jewish human they held for ransom and would allow to leave only on receipt of the money? Very civilized behavior eh?
Israel pulled out of Gaza and gave the inhabitants every opportunity to govern themselves. They could have chosen to do so in an orderly and decent way. They could have decided to establish good relations and prospered. They chose a different path. Daily rocket attacks.
What do you think the US would do to Mexico if we had rockets launched by the hundreds from Juarez into El Paso? Do you think we would be "gentle" when we sent our military in to put a stop to it?
Oh, and let us not forget Colin Powell's valiant efforts to negotiate with Arafat, which went nowhere. Bush has been blamed for not trying to move a settlement of the issue forward. I'm no fan of his, but there was a reason for the hands off approach.
Colin Powell had figured out the obvious. There is no reasoning with those Fatah folks.
June 20th, 2009 11:32 PM
June 20th, 2009 11:37 PM
"this is not the right forum for such a discussion"
Exactly!!! How about deleting this thread and sticking to the subject here?
June 21st, 2009 01:51 AM
Useful idiots, United and Chevy.
Those Palestinians hate you too, for the same reason that they hate the Jews, it has nothing to do with land, everything to do with religion.
It all started when the Jews refused to accept Mohammed as a prophet.
Blood feuds over fairytales ..... so sad and stupid.
Sure would be nice if grown people would quit believing in fairytales.
My SantaClaus is the One True Santa...roflmao.
June 21st, 2009 04:10 AM
I wish that they would open one up in the Mid Hudson Valley of NYS soon
June 21st, 2009 08:33 AM
Should have mentioned, there is a TJs in the Grosse Pointes that we shop at regularly.
Originally Posted by Trumpetchuck
"Don't be afraid to see what you see.
June 21st, 2009 09:34 AM
Thanks for the post. I'm a Christian and fully support Israel.
For God, Family and Country!
June 21st, 2009 09:45 AM
June 21st, 2009 09:48 AM
Fantastic post. Very true!! Thanks Hopyard!!
Originally Posted by Hopyard
Last edited by Gunnutty; June 21st, 2009 at 09:48 AM.
We will be much better off when we learn to deal with things as they really are, instead of how we wish them to be!
June 21st, 2009 09:49 AM
In today's real world, virtually every single Arab leader mentions the Israeli-Palestinian crisis as the number-one hot button issue in that region. And even President Obama is starting to listen to, and acknowledge, that chorus of voices - witness his epic speech in Cairo.
Keeping the Palestinians bottled up in a giant, open-air prison camp continually inflames many Muslims and jeopardizes Israeli long-term security. In my opinion, terrorism recruitment will go way down if a viable solution is found. Yes, yes, we all know the 2-state solution has failed to materialize and the process has broken down in the past for a myriad of reasons.
But as with many worthwhile objectives in life, success rarely comes easily. It often takes numerous attempts and failures. A viable 2-state solution is good for Israel and good for the world...........................
One of my long-time favorite examples of numerous struggles and failures is this:
He failed in business in 1831.
He was defeated for Legislature in 1832.
His second failure in business was in 1833.
He suffered a nervous breakdown in 1836.
He was defeated for Speaker in 1838.
He was defeated for Elector in 1840.
He was defeated for Congress in 1843.
Again, he was defeated for Congress in 1848.
He was defeated for Senate in 1855.
He was defeated for Vice President in 1856.
He was defeated for Senate in 1858.
He was elected as President in 1860.
It was - President Abraham Lincoln
Why should we expect a 2-state solution process to be any easier???????
'Be careful, even in small matters' - Miyamoto Musashi
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