The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

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    The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

    As reported by the Daily Mail:

    The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

    By James Slack
    Last updated at 12:14 AM on 03rd July 2009

    Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

    Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

    The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.



    Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa (file picture)

    The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

    In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

    The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

    * The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
    * It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
    * The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
    * It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

    But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

    In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.



    The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

    Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

    'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'

    The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.

    But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

    In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

    There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

    Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.

    But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
    Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

    'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

    The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.

    In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.

    He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.

    Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.



    The report can be found at; The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online

    - Janq

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    This is no surprise.

    In fact the UK has held this position for roughly 2 years now, besting former champ Australia, as I have been reporting all along in that same time frame using their own publicly provided crime stat reportings.
    The only first here is that a major media source has reported what has otherwise been known fact by the WHO, the US DoJ, most any statistician who is not funded by the Brady campaign, or anyone who can do basic arithmetic and understand what 'per capita' means.

    BTW note the title of the article juxtaposition the US as in relation to crime to that of SOUTH AFRICA!!!
    That makes no sense what so ever, if you are at all informed about either by even a modicum.
    In fact it's flatly a stupid statement. Which is supported as such if you read through and reference the as stated crime rating for the US.
    But hey that's the media for you. Always sensationalism first, facts and figures maybe second.
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    I looked over My shoulder more in London years ago than in the Bronx NY.

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    The only intelligent way to reduce violence is to make it illegal to possess the tools of violence: guns, knives, clubs, etc. Once those are illegal to have and carry, we will see a significant drop in their use by criminals, who, by very definition, don't give a poo about the law anyway.

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    In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.
    More laws, more control, no effects.

    He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.
    Public spectators to government surveillance.

    Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.
    What constitutes "going off the rails"? Who establishes the accepted methods of "intervention"? All code for "expanded indoctrination."
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    What I find interesting is Australia at 92/1000. Didn't they ban all firearm ownership?

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    Sounds to me like they need to ban all those pesky weapons all over again.

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    Depends what stats you read as well, one report puts our country at 133 per 100,000

    yet if you goto our offical government stats website it was 370 per 100,000 in 1998-2000.

    Simple fact is more people die on public roads than from firearm accidents or firearm homicides, yet its strange how we dont see "Ban the Car" campaigns from our leftist countrymen.

    Handgun capable of firing projectile = evil, must ban \ control
    1500KG of car travelling at 100 Kmh = OK

    Its funny what society finds acceptable and what they feel they need to control.
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    Have you been to London lately? There are no Brits there anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Have you been to London lately? There are no Brits there anymore.
    That in a nutshell is the problem, it is now Londistan. the English Gov has been coddling muslim extremists for years, hoping that if they take care of them they won't misbehave in England. it backfired, instead they've radicalized the muslim youth, IMO, the English Govs chickens have come home to roost. For years no one could extradite a terror suspect from there.

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    Since banning weapons has done such a wonderful job , just top it off by banning bad people.
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    Thanks for the post - excellent data and analysis. Those darn facts keep getting in the way of the agendas.......

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