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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post

    If science was so right all the time, explain how the Bikini Atoll radiation levels are just about normal now after having the most horrendous nuclear detonation in history go off there? The nuclear material was supposed to have an effect there for thousands of years? How about Los Alamos? same there.
    Good point EDR... but that's DETONATIONS, plural... 23 of them... you would think you could light a smoke off a rock on the beach...

    Hiroshima is a bustling, beautiful city today... ironically, they get a lot of their power from nuclear energy. That's right... in the city where the first atomic weapon was used, in earthquake ravaged Japan, they think nuclear power is safe...

    I'm not against a clean environment... but when I hear a greenstremist howling about the end of the world and we only have 10 years to save the planet, I have to laugh... I think about those old 16th century maps you see with sea monsters depicted in the unknown Atlantic ocean...

    "Beyond here, there be dragons..."



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    A doctor of what?

    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Actually, Michael Crichton was a doctor.
    I don't want to enter the climate debate. I just want to point out that the opening statement about Crichton's credentials (whatever they might actually be) may not be as solid as you think on this subject IF the doctoral degree is in medicine, instead of say, climatology.

    If by "doctor" you meant medical doctor or veterinarian, or doctor of jurisprudence, you may be demonstrating some level of ability, but not necessarily knowledge of specific relevant subject matter.

    (I have no idea what degrees Crichton holds. I'm commenting only on the incorrect notion that the word "doctor" necessarily means someone capable of speaking authoritatively on any given specific topic outside their education and training.)

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    I find it funny that 30 years or so ago, the same fear mongers were saying we were heading for an ice age.
    I am an Architect and a LEED AP (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design Accredited Professional) and strongly believe in reducing our use of non renemable resource and conserving as much land as is practical for futrue generations, however, i don't buy into this global Warming BS, and that's what it is BS. Yes we need to find other sources of power/fuel, but many of the technologies the libs want us to use aren't far enough along to make them viable alternatives at this time. Wind power is suspect. Nuclear is important in my opinion and we should build more plants in this country. And we should begin looking into and creating a hydrogen fuel cell infrastructure for fueling autos. All new tall structures should be required to generate their own solar power, and if people wish to shift to a solar powered system, I suggest we use the existing built environment as the substructure (place a solar collector on every house in LA for example to supplement the grid) instead of filling up land with solar farms. Just MHO. Sorry for the ramble, just tired of this !

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    Crichton wrote a few relatively entertaining novels, but to convey scientific authority on the basis of pseudo-research incorporated into fiction is truly laughable. "State of Fear" is fiction, pure and simple. Neither he nor his fictional characters knew much about real science. Even his citations of the authors of genuine research were typically taken out of context and used to draw different conclusions than did the originators.

    This, of course, is why the late Crichton was the darling of the contrarian minority. Never mind about real research or consensus within the scientific community. Just put on the tin-foil hats and blame the vast "left-wing conspiracy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    All new tall structures should be required to generate their own solar power, and if people wish to shift to a solar powered system, I suggest we use the existing built environment as the substructure (place a solar collector on every house in LA for example to supplement the grid) instead of filling up land with solar farms.
    My hero... I've been saying this for years.

    Wanna "stimulate the economy" with "green jobs"...? Instead of funding dungbeetle research and conservation in Nancy Pelosi's district, howzabout rounding up all those ACORN "volunteers" with lots of time on their hands, and pay 'em 15 bucks an hour to install solar panels on every roof in America? That, in conjunction with electric/CNG vehicles would cause the price of oil to plummet....

    Domestic supply would be vast at current production levels, and American oil companies wouldn't be interested in Middle East oil unless they can get strippers to deliver it at 6 bucks a barrel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I don't want to enter the climate debate. I just want to point out that the opening statement about Crichton's credentials (whatever they might actually be) may not be as solid as you think on this subject IF the doctoral degree is in medicine, instead of say, climatology.

    If by "doctor" you meant medical doctor or veterinarian, or doctor of jurisprudence, you may be demonstrating some level of ability, but not necessarily knowledge of specific relevant subject matter.

    (I have no idea what degrees Crichton holds. I'm commenting only on the incorrect notion that the word "doctor" necessarily means someone capable of speaking authoritatively on any given specific topic outside their education and training.)
    True. I know many PhD's in physics and in electrical, mechanical and chemical engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Guess what? You can't display an annual mean until after you have a complete year! Sheesh!

    When a science fiction writer (Michael Crichton) is the guru of the cause, I guess anything is possible . . .
    Compare your graph to the one I posted. The graph I have has a heck of a lot more data points and has not been manipulated.

    Many global warmers take data and purposely manipulate it to prove their point. By taking data and averaging over yearly and 5 year bins is nothing but a "smoothing routine"which can hide salient features, such as temperatures decreasing in last 3 years.

    I don't know about you, but one thing I do know is proper interpretation of data and graphs. I do it for a living.

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    Greenpeace does it again.

    Activists Deface Mount Rushmore With Global Warming Banner
    Activists Deface Mount Rushmore With Global Warming Banner - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and . . . Barack Obama?

    Patriotic tourists visiting the Mount Rushmore National Memorial in South Dakota on Wednesday found a fifth face displayed -- and not as a compliment -- next to the giant stone carvings of four legendary presidents.

    A group of environmental activists connected with Greenpeace unfurled an enormous banner showing President Obama's face and calling for an end to global warming.

    The 65-foot by 35-foot banner — which read "America Honors Leaders, Not Politicians: Stop Global Warming" — was hung to the immediate right of Lincoln at about 10 a.m. local time, said Patty Rooney, a spokeswoman for the National Park Service's Midwest Regional Office.

    She said an undetermined number of people were taken into custody following the incident.

    Daniel Kessler, a spokesman for Greenpeace, said 11 people were detained, but it was not clear how many of them were Greenpeace employees.

    No injuries were reported.

    Park workers are trying to remove the banner, Rooney said, but strong winds have complicated the process.

    "It is not down yet," she said shortly before noon.

    She said park workers will assess damage to the 5,725-foot mountain once the banner is down.

    Eleven activists climbed to top of the mountain as part of several demonstrations by the Greenpeace, which is calling for more aggressive action to combat climate change as world leaders meet at the Group of Eight summit in L'Aquila, Italy.

    Three of those 11 activists rappelled down and hung the banner as they descended, Kessler said. A video of the incident was posted on the group's Web site.

    "This monument celebrates leaders who rose to the great challenges of our past," Greepeace USA Deputy Campaign Director Carroll Muffett said in a press release. "Global warming is the greatest crisis humankind has ever faced and it is the defining test of leadership for this generation. It's an open question whether President Obama will pass this test."

    Other demonstrations held by Greenpeace on Wednesday included the hanging of banners on smokestacks at a coal plant in Italy.

    "Doing what it takes to solve global warming demands real political courage," Muffett continued. "If President Obama intends to earn a place among this country's true leaders, he needs to show that courage, and base his actions on the scientific reality rather than political convenience."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Crichton wrote a few relatively entertaining novels, but to convey scientific authority on the basis of pseudo-research incorporated into fiction is truly laughable. "State of Fear" is fiction, pure and simple. Neither he nor his fictional characters knew much about real science. Even his citations of the authors of genuine research were typically taken out of context and used to draw different conclusions than did the originators.

    This, of course, is why the late Crichton was the darling of the contrarian minority. Never mind about real research or consensus within the scientific community. Just put on the tin-foil hats and blame the vast "left-wing conspiracy".
    Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" is pure fiction also. What are his credentials?

    You want to talk of consensus? Guess what, I am a scientist (PhD in atomic/molecular physics) and I am one of the 31,000 signers of the Oregon Petition who flatly disagree with the AGW hypothesis.

    Now, I'll bet you will try to falsely claim that the petition is "bogus". If you do wish to claim this, then name at least one fake name.

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    I've read that he will be the first Cap & Trade billionaire once this all goes through.

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    I think every person that thinks global warming is actually occurring should take a statistics class. If they know what p<.05 means and it's significance then they can be excused.

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    Credentials...........

    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Guess what? You can't display an annual mean until after you have a complete year! Sheesh!

    When a science fiction writer (Michael Crichton) is the guru of the cause, I guess anything is possible . . .


    And Al Gore is a............
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    Al Gore and "climate change." Here's a few bits of information about Mr. Gore when he appears at any public forum. I believe I saw this on some news-magazine on television.

    (1) Reporters are not permitted in any room where Mr. Gore is speaking.
    (2) Mr. Gore will do interviews with reporters ONLY if his publicist approves it.
    (3) Mr. Gore will NOT debate anybody on global warming, which is now called "climate change".
    (4) Mr. Gore insists on traveling in Gulfstream Jets to his various GW events.
    (5) Once he arrives at these events he travels by limo wherever he travels.

    For someone who is so concerned about Global Warming (aka Climate Change) he has odd ways of demonstrating his concern for this fragile planet on which we all live. But he is the type person who believes that "do as I say and not as I do." A tad hypocritical if you ask me!
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