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About LinkBacksapparently you havent been to a third world country...... i was in quito equator.. they do the same thing LOCALS....Originally Posted by Jackle1886
This is a discussion on Humvee Traffic Driving in Iraq within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Jackle1886 So...let me get this straight. As long as it isn't some sort of emergency, why the heck are we bumping innocent ...
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apparently you havent been to a third world country...... i was in quito equator.. they do the same thing LOCALS....
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Iraq, that looks like I-95 on Friday afternoon.
Seriously, Thank you guys, and all the men and women that serve.
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They can't stop. If they do, they could be ambushed or blown up.
They're in a war.
If I'm not mistaken, the locals are told to pull over so troops can keep moving.
You pull over for police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks.
Don't you?
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Man, everyone seems to be gettin on me. Did ya'll read my second post in this thread? I pretty much said that now I understand and changed my opinion. No, I really haven't been to a third world country. Only places I've been outta the good ol USA are: Canada, Puerto Rico (US territory) and Barbados.
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Here's one some may have seen before, puts it into a better perspective. no one ever wants a commute like this.
YouTube - iraq ambush
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I have done this many times. I was usually the lead hummer driver escorting VIPs, etc. And countless times have we had to get out much like that! Good video.
A commute like that to work everyday would suck... My commute is almost like that, but not quite!
That they are OPFOR, the new "share the road policy" started to really be implemented when I was over there. We didn't do much love tapping, but a lot of driving down the middle of the roads, and all that good jazz. But most of the people in our AO were so used to the way Americans drove, they would automatically just pull out of our way and let us pass.
Over there, you don't stop unless you have to, and you should find a way to avoid stopping in traffic if possible. A sitting vehicle makes for a nice target.
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Well guys let my say this, Im currently serving in BAGHDAD IRAQ, I have been here nearly a year now. What you see is not allowed ANYMORE. I hate it, but thats the way it is.
For the first six months I was here yea, we honked horns, drove into oncoming traffic, jumped curbs you name it we did it. It wasnt safe or wasnt tollerated to just sit in traffic, the dangers of that were too high to accept.
Im lead vehicle and im a TeamLeader/Squadleader. Now however we have to abide by the local laws, no more honking or driving into oncoming traffic, its not tollerated.. However I sill not just sit in traffic and wait to get ambused or have a vehicle in our convoy just blown up.
I will honk lightly for traffic to move and find an alternat route, its a never ending game of cat and mouse and we constantly have to adapt to a changing enemy and threat...
What you see and what you use to do a year ago or six months ago has changed, its always changing, thats how you survive, keep em guessing and always change you TTP's (tatics, techniques & procedures)
Our protection team are under more restrictions now, as well. I ride around in sedans and sit in traffic all day, every day. Sometimes anonymity is your best defense, but that doesn't work so well when you're in an MRAP.
All that said, I don't see many Big Army vehicles on the roads any more, since June 30 and our "pulling out" of the cities. Sure, they're still out there, but not like they used to be, and certainly not driving like that.
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The driver drives like my rental customers do. Could also be a typical NY cab driver.
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Because if they stop for a little too long, they may end up dead. I have a friend in Kuwait, they told him not to stop for any reason because you will be a perfect target.
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I'm in Afghanistan now...driving rules changed about 3 months ago....we "share the road"..."pick a lane and stay in it"...no bumping, no blocking traffic, etc.
The 2-star is taking the long view of this...basically, not everyone on the road (in Kabul) is looking to blow us up....the more we continue with our tactics, the more the average Afghan may be swayed to fight for the other side. There is nothing preventing us from defending ourselves..
I will say I think that video is from 2004 or 2005 when the security situation was very different in Baghdad....I was there 2003 and 2004
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In Viet Nam we always subscribed to the following rules of survival in a combat situation:
1st Rule: Limit your exposure.
2nd Rule: If you fire, expect to be fired upon.
The video is an excellent example of following Rule 1.
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To Sigguy, OPFOR, Kelly, and all the rest of us who have experenced this, THANK YOU! We probably had one of the most dangerious jobs in the sand box. Every piece of trash, dead animal, pot hole, disabled car, etc was a possible attack. I have lost many friends to IEDs and VBIEDs. It kinda scares me to think that driving like that is no longer allowed over there. At what price will it take to change that rule and allow us to be more aggressive on the roads again?
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