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    This isn't right.

    I'm pissed, and saddened for all Americans.

    I just watched the movie "The Great Raid "This past weekend, Its True story about the largest and most sucessful American rescue operation in history. Over 500 American POW'S were rescued by American troops and Phillipino underground.

    The medal of freedom was givien to Margaret Utinsky for helping American POW'S in the Cabanatuan prison camps before the raid.

    Margaret Utinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Margaret was born in St. Louis, Missouri and grew up on a wheat farm in Canada.[1] In 1919, she married John Rowley. He died the following year, leaving her with an infant son, Charles.

    On a sojourn to the Philippines in the late 1920s, Margaret met and fell in love with John "Jack" Utinsky, a former Army captain who worked as a civil engineer for the U.S. government. They married in 1934.[2]
    Margaret and Jack settled into life in Manila.

    As the likelihood of a Japanese attack grew in the Far East, the U.S. military ordered all American wives back to the United States. Unwilling to part from her husband, Margaret refused to obey the order and took an apartment in Manila while Jack went to work on Bataan. In December 1941, the Japanese invaded the Philippines.
    When Japanese troops occupied Manila on January 2, 1942, Margaret hid in her apartment rather than go into internment. She wrote in her book, "To go into an internment camp seemed like the sensible thing to do, but for the life of me I could not see what use I would be to myself or to anyone else cooped up there....
    For from the moment the inconceivable thing happened and the Japanese arrived, there was just on thought
    in my mind—to find Jack."[3]

    Undiscovered after ten weeks in hiding, Margaret ventured out and sought help from the priests at Malate Convent. Through various contacts, she obtained false papers, secured a position with the Red Cross, and went to Bataan
    to search for her husband.[4]

    As cover, she created the identity of Rosena Utinsky, a Lithuanian nurse - Lithuania then being a nonbelligerent country under armed occupation by Nazi Germany. Traveling with a Filipino Red Cross medical team, she was shocked by the carnage of the Bataan Death March (the brutal forced march of tens of thousands of U.S. and Filipino soldiers after their surrender to the Japanese army on Bataan). She resolved to do all she could to help the POWs that still lived. Beginning with small actions, she soon built a clandestine resistance network that provided food, money, and medicine such as quinine to the thousands of POWs at Camp O'Donnell, and later at the Cabanatuan prison camp. After she learned that her husband had died in the prison camp, she redoubled her efforts to save as many men as possible.[4] Her code name was "Miss U," which is also the title of her 1948 book, the cover of which can be seen at the Medal of Freedom website.

    Suspected of helping prisoners, the Japanese arrested her, held her at Fort Santiago prison, and eventually released her, feverish and battered. She spent six weeks recovering from injuries and gangrene at a Manila hospital. Soon afterwards, she escaped to Bataan and served as a nurse with the Philippine Commonwealth troops and the Recognized Guerrilla forces, moving from camp to camp in the mountains until liberation in February 1945.[5]

    Today the prez was giving the Medal of Freedom out like candy.

    actors
    activist
    a tennis player
    a gay politician
    a politician
    a judge
    and a bunch of other people that did good for themselfs. But to be given this honor.

    To me dissrespects the people who truely deserved it.

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    Welcome to todays America.... hmmmmm

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    It really does cheapen the meaning of the honor when Billie Jean King is awarded one.
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    Pure Kusom,
    I too had wondered about some of the folks given the medal. With regard to Rosena Utinsky, I do not know what other accolades she may have been given, and in a more timely manner. Is she still alive?

    For the younger people here, the events in Manila and the Philippines are not ancient history. The other night my wife, as she was in the twighlight zone of falling asleep, woke and said to me, "I don't think my brains are wired right. I've know that since I was a little girl." So, I asked her why she thought that was the case and what did she think caused it (because they aren't wired right). She answered, "the Japanese bombs."

    I knew a woman with a similar history to the lady Pure Kustom mentioned. The daughter of an American engineer working in the Philippines, she and her parents were interned in the infamous internment camps at the U. of Santo Thomas.

    For history buffs, try--Escape to Manila: From Nazi Tyranny to Japanese Terror
    by Frank Ephraim, Stanley Karnow

    It is slow going at first but as the story builds it eventually ends with one of the best descriptions of the battle for Manila from the perspective of those living there when the fighting raged.

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    Rocky...list some of the recipients names so we can judge their courageous merit.
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    2009 Recipients:

    * Nancy Goodman Brinker is the founder of Susan G. Komen for the Cure, the world’s leading breast cancer grassroots organization.

    * Pedro José Greer, Jr. is the Assistant Dean of Academic Affairs and Florida International University School of Medicine. He is also the founder of Camillus Health Concern, an agency that provides medical care to over 10,000 homeless and low-income patients each year in Miami.

    * Stephen Hawking is an internationally-recognized theoretical physicist, and is the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University.

    * Jack Kemp was a U.S. Congressman, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and Republican Nominee for Vice President in 1996. He died in May, 2009

    * Sen. Edward Kennedy is one of the longest-serving and greatest Senators of all time. He has worked tirelessly for health care reform over the last five decades.

    * Billie Jean King is known for winning the famous “Battle of the Sexes” tennis match, and championing gender equality issues not only in sports, but in all aspects of life.

    * Rev. Joseph Lowery has been a leader of the civil rights movement since the 1950s, and co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Dr. Martin Luther King.

    * Dr. Joseph Medicine Crow is the last living Plains Indian war chief, and author of works on Native American history and culture who has served as an inspiration to young Native Americans across the country.

    * Harvey Milk was the first openly gay elected official from a major city in the United States. He was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977, and encouraged LGBT citizens to live their lives openly.

    * Sandra Day O’Connor was a Supreme Court Justice from 1981 until her retirement in 2006. She was the first woman ever to sit on the Supreme Court, and has received numerous awards for her outstanding achievements.

    * Sidney Poitier is an actor known for breaking racial barriers. He is the first African American to be nominated and win a Best Actor Academy Award.

    * Chita Rivera is an actress, singer and dancer, who has broken barriers and inspired a generation of women. In 2002, she was the first Hispanic to receive the Kennedy Center Honor.

    * Mary Robinson was the first female President of Ireland and former United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. Since 2002, she has been the President of Realizing Rights: The Ethical Globalization Initiative.

    * Janet Davison Rowley, M.D., is the Blum Riese Distinguished Service Professor of Medicine, Molecular Genetics & Cell Biology and Human Genetics at the University of Chicago. She discovered the first consistent chromosome translocation in a human cancer.

    * Desmond Tutu is widely regarded as “South Africa’s moral conscience,” and was a leading anti-apartheid activist in South Africa.

    * Muhammad Yunus is a global leader in anti-poverty efforts, and pioneered the use of “micro-loans” to provide credit to poor individuals.
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    Obama lauded them because these recipients are "agents of change".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    2009 Recipients:


    * Pedro José Greer, Jr. is the Assistant Dean of Academic Affairs and Florida International University School of Medicine. He is also the founder of Camillus Health Concern, an agency that provides medical care to over 10,000 homeless and low-income patients each year in Miami.

    * Sen. Edward Kennedy is one of the longest-serving and greatest Senators of all time. He has worked tirelessly for health care reform over the last five decades.

    * Billie Jean King is known for winning the famous “Battle of the Sexes” tennis match, and championing gender equality issues not only in sports, but in all aspects of life.

    * Rev. Joseph Lowery has been a leader of the civil rights movement since the 1950s, and co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Dr. Martin Luther King.

    * Harvey Milk was the first openly gay elected official from a major city in the United States. He was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977, and encouraged LGBT citizens to live their lives openly.

    * Sidney Poitier is an actor known for breaking racial barriers. He is the first African American to be nominated and win a Best Actor Academy Award.

    * Chita Rivera is an actress, singer and dancer, who has broken barriers and inspired a generation of women. In 2002, she was the first Hispanic to receive the Kennedy Center Honor.

    * Mary Robinson was the first female President of Ireland and former United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. Since 2002, she has been the President of Realizing Rights: The Ethical Globalization Initiative.

    * Desmond Tutu is widely regarded as “South Africa’s moral conscience,” and was a leading anti-apartheid activist in South Africa.

    * Muhammad Yunus is a global leader in anti-poverty efforts, and pioneered the use of “micro-loans” to provide credit to poor individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Pure Kusom,
    I too had wondered about some of the folks given the medal. With regard to Rosena Utinsky, I do not know what other accolades she may have been given, and in a more timely manner. Is she still alive?

    For the younger people here, the events in Manila and the Philippines are not ancient history. The other night my wife, as she was in the twighlight zone of falling asleep, woke and said to me, "I don't think my brains are wired right. I've know that since I was a little girl." So, I asked her why she thought that was the case and what did she think caused it (because they aren't wired right). She answered, "the Japanese bombs."

    I knew a woman with a similar history to the lady Pure Kustom mentioned. The daughter of an American engineer working in the Philippines, she and her parents were interned in the infamous internment camps at the U. of Santo Thomas.

    For history buffs, try--Escape to Manila: From Nazi Tyranny to Japanese Terror
    by Frank Ephraim, Stanley Karnow

    It is slow going at first but as the story builds it eventually ends with one of the best descriptions of the battle for Manila from the perspective of those living there when the fighting raged.
    She died on August 30, 1970. To me she was a True American Hero, She did what she wasn't asked to do, She did what she felt was right, She put her life in danger for others.

    If anybody hasn't seen the movie, I recommend it. It's our history. Our American history.

    Here is another artical on her.
    WWII Remembered - Margaret Elizabeth Utinsky
    WWII Remembered - Margaret Elizabeth Utinsky

    Thanks for the suggestions Hopyard, I am very interested in our history.

    Thanks Patti for the list and Thanks Siafu for the picture editorial.

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    The Presidential Medal of Freedom is designed to recognize individuals who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors." The award is not limited to United States citizens and, while a civilian award, can also be awarded to military personnel and worn on the uniform.

    I'd suggest taking a closer look at the list of recipients before going off half-cocked on ill-conceived judgements.

    Architecture
    Buckminster Fuller
    Ludwig Mies van der Rohe (1963)
    I.M. Pei (1993)[3]

    Art
    Norman Rockwell
    Georgia O'Keeffe
    Andrew Wyeth
    Alexander Calder

    Dance
    George Balanchine
    Martha Graham
    Chita Rivera (2009)[2]

    Film
    Lucille Ball (1989, posthumously)
    James Cagney (1984)
    Bebe Daniels
    Doris Day (2004)
    Olivia de Havilland
    Marlene Dietrich
    Walt Disney (1964)
    Kirk Douglas (1981)
    John Ford
    Samuel Goldwyn
    Helen Hayes
    Audrey Hepburn (1992)
    Charlton Heston (2003)
    Bob Hope (1969)
    Danny Kaye
    Carole Lombard (1942, posthumously)
    Rita Moreno (2004)
    Gregory Peck (1969)
    Sidney Poitier (2009)[2]
    Martha Raye (1993)
    James Stewart
    Lew Wasserman (1995)
    John Wayne (1980, posthumously)

    Literature
    Jacques Barzun (2003)
    T. S. Eliot
    Ralph Ellison
    Eric Hoffer
    Louis L'Amour
    Harper Lee (2007)
    James Michener
    Carl Sandburg
    John Steinbeck
    Eudora Welty
    Elie Wiesel
    Thornton Wilder
    Edmund Wilson
    Tennessee Williams
    E.B. White

    Music
    Marian Anderson
    Pearl Bailey
    Irving Berlin
    James "Eubie" Blake
    Pau Casals
    Van Cliburn (2003)
    Aaron Copland
    Plácido Domingo (2002)
    Duke Ellington (1969)
    Ella Fitzgerald
    Aretha Franklin
    B. B. King (2006)
    Vladimir Horowitz
    Frank Sinatra
    Kate Smith
    Isaac Stern

    [edit] Photography
    Ansel Adams (1980)
    Edwin H. Land (1963)

    Journalism
    Robert L. Bartley (2004)
    Herbert L. Block (1994)
    William F. Buckley, Jr.
    Walter Cronkite (1981)
    Katharine Graham (2002)
    John H. Johnson (1996)
    Paul Johnson
    Edward R. Murrow
    A. M. Rosenthal (2002)
    Vermont C. Royster (1986)
    William Safire

    Radio
    Paul Harvey (2005)
    Lowell Thomas (1976)

    Television
    Lucille Ball
    David Brinkley
    Carol Burnett (2005)
    Johnny Carson (1992)
    Peggy Charren (1995)
    Julia Child (2003)
    Joan Ganz Cooney (1995)
    Bill Cosby (2002)
    Andy Griffith (2005)
    Brian Lamb (2007)
    Fred Rogers (2002)

    Philanthropy
    Brooke Astor (1998)
    Zachary Fisher (1998)
    Eugene Lang (1996)

    Activists
    Arnold Aronson (1998)
    Roger Nash Baldwin
    Oscar Elias Biscet (2007)
    Nancy Goodman Brinker (2009)[2]
    César Chávez (1994)
    Justin Whitlock Dart, Jr. (1998)
    Evelyn Dubrow (1999)
    Marian Wright Edelman (2000)
    James L. Farmer, Jr. (1998)
    Dorothy Height (1994)
    George G. Higgins (2000)
    Benjamin Hooks (2007)
    Jesse Jackson (2000)
    Millie Jeffrey (2000)
    Helen Keller (1964)
    Martin Luther King, Jr.(posthumously)
    Fred Korematsu (1998)
    Rev. Joseph Lowery (2009)[2]
    Harvey Milk (2009) (posthumously)[2]
    Mario G. Obledo (1998)
    Rosa Parks (1996)
    Ginetta Sagan (1996)
    Natan Sharansky
    William C. Velasquez (1995)
    Lech Wałęsa
    Andrew Young

    Diplomacy
    Ryan Crocker (2009)[4]
    John P. Davies
    Nathaniel P. Davis (1946)
    Philip Habib (1982)
    George F. Kennan
    Jeane Kirkpatrick
    Sol M. Linowitz (1998)
    Gerard C. Smith
    Robert Schwarz Strauss

    Environmentalism
    Rachel Carson (posthumously)
    Marjory Stoneman Douglas (1993)
    Gilbert Melville Grosvenor (2004)
    Margaret Murie (1998)
    Roger Tory Peterson
    Edgar Wayburn (1999)

    Espionage
    Moe Berg[5]
    Whittaker Chambers (1984)
    William Stephenson (1946)
    George Tenet
    Claire Phillips
    Andrée de Jongh
    Nancy Wake
    Henry Rigby (1947)

    Foreign heads of state or government
    Don Luis A. Ferré
    Václav Havel (2003)
    John Howard (2009)
    Helmut Kohl (1999)
    Nelson Mandela (2002)
    Wilma Mankiller (1998)
    Luis Muñoz Marín
    Mary Robinson (2009)[2]
    Margaret Thatcher (1991)
    Pope John XXIII
    Pope John Paul II (2004)
    Ellen Johnson Sirleaf (2007)
    Álvaro Uribe (2009)

    Law
    A. Leon Higginbotham, Jr. (1995)
    Oliver White Hill (1999)
    Frank Minis Johnson (1995)
    Joseph L. Rauh, Jr. (1993, posthumously)
    Cruz Reynoso (2000)
    Laurence Silberman (2008)
    John Minor Wisdom (1993)

    Supreme Court Justices
    Associate Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. (1993)
    Chief Justice Warren E. Burger
    Associate Justice Felix Frankfurter
    Associate Justice Thurgood Marshall (1993)
    Associate Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (2009)[2]
    Chief Justice Earl Warren
    Associate Justice Byron White (2003)

    Military
    Frank Berryman (1948)
    Omar Bradley
    Andrew Berry (1946)
    General Wesley Clark (2000)
    War Chief Joe Medicine Crow (2009)[2]
    Admiral William J. Crowe (2000)
    Jimmy Doolittle
    Tommy Franks
    Andrew Goodpaster (1961: military); (1984: international affairs)
    General Lyman Lemnitzer (1987)
    Richard B. Myers
    Jan Nowak-Jeziorański (1996)
    Peter Pace (2008)
    Colin Powell (1993)
    Hyman Rickover
    H. Norman Schwarzkopf
    General John Shalikashvili (1997)
    Gunnar Sønsteby
    John Paul Vann
    Brett Van Arsdale
    Nancy Wake
    Chuck Yeager
    Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. (1998)
    Lieutenant Colonel Théodore-Lafleur Bullock (1946)[6]
    Chief of Naval Operations Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. (1998)
    Women Airforce Service Pilots (2009)

    U.S. Cabinet members
    Dean Acheson (awarded with Distinction)
    James Baker
    Zbigniew Brzezinski
    Richard Cheney
    Warren Christopher
    William T. Coleman, Jr. (1995)
    C. Douglas Dillon
    Henry Kissinger
    Robert S. McNamara (1968)
    Norman Mineta
    Averell Harriman
    Secretary of Defense William Perry (1997)
    Colin Powell (twice)
    Elliot Richardson (1998)
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Donna Shalala
    George P. Shultz
    Caspar Weinberger (awarded with Distinction)
    Melvin Laird

    U.S. First Ladies
    Lady Bird Johnson (1977)[7]
    Rosalynn Carter (1999)
    Nancy Reagan (2002)

    U.S. members of Congress
    Senator Lloyd M. Bentsen (1999)
    Senator Edward W. Brooke (2004)
    Senator John H. Chafee (2000)
    Senator Bob Dole (1997)
    Representative Dante B. Fascell (1998)
    Senator William Fulbright (1993)
    Senator Barry Goldwater
    Representative Henry Hyde (2007)
    Senator Henry M. Jackson
    Representative Jack Kemp (2009, posthumously)[2]
    Senator Edward Kennedy (2009)[2]
    Representative Barbara Jordan (1994)
    Representative Clare Boothe Luce (1983)
    Senator George McGovern (2000)
    Representative Robert H. Michel (1994)
    Senator George J. Mitchell (1999)
    Representative G. V. (Sonny) Montgomery
    Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (2000)
    Senator Gaylord Nelson (1995)
    Representative Tip O'Neill
    Senator Margaret Chase Smith
    Senator Strom Thurmond
    Representative Mo Udall (1996)
    Representative Carl Vinson (awarded with Distinction)

    U.S. presidents

    35th President John F. Kennedy (1963, posthumously)[8]
    36th President Lyndon B. Johnson (1980, posthumously)[9]
    38th President Gerald Ford (1999)
    39th President Jimmy Carter (1999)
    40th President Ronald Reagan (1993)[10]

    U.S. Vice Presidents
    Hubert Humphrey
    Nelson Rockefeller
    Dick Cheney

    Other political figures
    Gero von Schulze-Gaevernitz (1945)
    Homer Morrison Byington (1946)
    Jean Monnet, statesman of the world, 1963
    James J. Caffrey(1977)
    Sargent Shriver (1994)
    Arthur Flemming (1994)
    James P. Grant (1994)
    James Brady (1996)
    Albert Shanker (1998)
    Max Kampelman (1999)
    Simon Wiesenthal (2000)
    Aung San Suu Kyi (2000)
    Irving Kristol (2002)
    Norman Podhoretz (2004)
    Paul Bremer
    Ella T. Grasso
    Paul Nitze
    Whitney Young

    Religion
    Walter Hubert Baddeley
    Joseph Cardinal Bernardin (1996)
    Horacio de la Costa (1946)
    Sor Isolina Ferré (1999)
    Billy Graham
    Gordon B. Hinckley (2004)
    Reinhold Niebuhr (1964)
    Hugh O'Flaherty
    Norman Vincent Peale
    Gardner C. Taylor (2000)
    Mother Teresa
    Archbishop Desmond Tutu (2009)[2]
    Archbishop Iakovos of America
    Pope John XXIII
    Pope John Paul II (2004)

    Sports
    Ali Hank Aaron (2002)
    Muhammad Ali (2005)
    Arthur Ashe (1993)
    Earl Blaik
    Paul "Bear" Bryant
    Roberto Clemente (2003, posthumously)
    Joe DiMaggio
    Billie Jean King (2009)[2]
    Jack Nicklaus
    Jesse Owens
    Buck O'Neil
    Arnold Palmer (2004)
    Richard Petty
    Frank Robinson
    Jackie Robinson
    Ted Williams
    John Wooden (2003)

    Humanitarian
    Margaret Utinsky (1946)
    Norman Borlaug (January 10, 1977)
    Eunice Kennedy Shriver (March 26, 1984)
    Mother Teresa (May 23, 1985)
    Leon Sullivan (November 18, 1991)
    Willie Velasquez (1995)
    Millard Fuller (September 9, 1996)
    Simon Wiesenthal (2000)
    Paul Rusesabagina (November 3, 2005)
    Cheers,
    Rod
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    Hell maybe I can get one for supporting the 2nd amendmant. Because alot of people on that list shouldn't be. Looks more like a popularity award.

    Forgive me If I am wrong, But doing your job and doing it well, Doesn't deserve the highest honor a civilian can get.

    Doing extraordinary work, doing what you were not asked to do is worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Kustom View Post
    Hell maybe I can get one for supporting the 2nd amendmant. Because alot of people on that list shouldn't be. Looks more like a popularity award.
    If you can show you've made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

    Why don't you list your meritorious contributions for us? Maybe someone will nominate you.

    Now I'd certainly get behind nominating Bumper, for providing this forum, which I consider one of the finest anywhere.
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    Fine Holsters--- Art

    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    If you can show you've made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

    Why don't you list your meritorious contributions for us?
    Uh, maybe Pure Kustom can be deemed "meritorious" and get in there with the "arts" awards guys for his fine holsters; seems a pretty good contribution to American culture. No?

    :)))

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    They gave one to both Jimmy Carter and Dick Chaney.

    Obviously it means nothing, just handshaking and politicking.
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