Forum Members & Those W/ Kids - Get Educated On Vaccines

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    Two letters from the U.K.'s Health Protection Agency to top neurologists, sent on the eve of a massive vaccination program against the H1N1, or swine flu, virus and leaked to a British newspaper, warn doctors to watch for an increase in cases of a fatal brain disorder which could be triggered by the vaccine.

    Guillain-Barre Syndrome attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal, London's Mail on Sunday reported.

    The first round of immunizations is scheduled for October and is set to treat 13 million pople, giving priority to "everyone aged six months to 65 with an underlying health problem, pregnant women and health professionals."

    Already, concerns have been raised over insufficient testing and lack of knowledge about the new vaccine's effect on children.

    The HPA letters, sent to 600 neurologists, cite the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the U.S. in 1976 that caused more fatalities than the influenza.

    During the 10-week period the vaccine was administered, 500 cases of GBS were identified. Immunization for swine flu increased the chances of being stricken by GBS by a factor of 8. Although the vaccine was withdrawn when the connection was made, the U.S. government paid millions to settle suits by those injured or killed.

    "But it could end up being anything because one of the additives in one of the vaccines is a substance called squalene, and none of the studies we've extracted have any research on it at all.'

    Jackie Fletcher of the vaccine support group Jabs, told the Mail, "The government would not be anticipating this if they didn't think there was a connection. What we've got is a massive guinea-pig trial."

    GBS leaves nerves unable to transmit signals to muscles effectively, resulting in partial paralysis, primarily in the hands and feet. In serious cases, patients must be kept on a ventilator. Those who die from the disease experience paralysis of the respiratory system and suffocation.
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    I have a question:

    What is the government going to do to you if you refuse to get the shot?

    Throw you in jail?

    Fine you?

    How in the world are they going to make it mandatory?

    What about all of the people who refuse vaccinations because it's against their religion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    I have a question:

    What is the government going to do to you if you refuse to get the shot?

    Throw you in jail?

    Fine you?

    How in the world are they going to make it mandatory?

    What about all of the people who refuse vaccinations because it's against their religion?
    I'll add/ ask

    What is the government going to do to you if you refuse to give up your guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan5 View Post
    I'll add/ ask

    What is the government going to do to you if you refuse to give up your guns?
    Very good question, but we don't want to derail the thread and get it locked down.
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    re: Patti

    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    I have a question:

    What is the government going to do to you if you refuse to get the shot?
    Absolutely nothing because it isn't mandatory.

    See, almost everyone in this thread is in a big panic that they will have to obey the nasty "know nothing" public health officials.

    They fear they will have to do something the "bad bad bad awful horrible government" tells them to do for their own good.

    These same folk fail to take note of the fact that nothing whatsoever is mandatory.

    See, all the fear expressed in this thread is the product of imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus View Post
    I understand that this may somewhat political, and I can see how this may not be directly 2A related, but please let this thread stand. It could potentially cover all of our rights.
    This subject would become 2A related real fast if Federal Agents come knocking on my door trying to force me to allow them to give my kids any kind of shot that I do not approve of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    These same folk fail to take note of the fact that nothing whatsoever is mandatory.
    Yet.....I for one do not at all put it past them to make it mandatory. This could all factor into the big "health care reform" bill. ie: we are all so stupid that we need the government to protect us from ourselves when it comes to swine flu and who knows what else.
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    Protecting you from swine flu

    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    we are all so stupid that we need the government to protect us from ourselves when it comes to swine flu and who knows what else.
    Guess what. You do need the government to protect you from the swine flu.

    Think about it.

    Who is monitoring the strains of influenza that float about the earth and keeping track of their mutations/changes? DUH, Centers for Disease Control---THE GOVERNMENT.

    Who determines which strains of influenza are used for making this next season's vaccine? Duh. THE GOVERNMENT.

    If you do not get the vaccine you are still somewhat protected because millions of other people --perhaps 100 million will accept the vaccine and this will make you safer because these other 100 million people won't be spreading the infection to you. Thank you to the government.

    There are no private companies with the resources to track the strains, determine for themselves which strains to make into vaccine, and market a vaccine without THE GOVERNMENT.

    So go ahead and yell about the very folks who are doing their utmost to keep you safe. OOOOOOOH, The Government is soooooo bad.

    You know what would happen if Uncle didn't run the vaccine program? Instead of 36,000 extra death each flu season there would be some very very considerable multiple of that number dead, maybe 10 fold or more. Do you think losing 360,000 people in a flu season would be a good thing? Are you certain you or your loved ones won't be one of those 360,000 dead bodies.

    What about all the lost days at work for all the ill people? Do you think that has no price to society at large?

    Oh, yeah, the government does such bad things. You'll show them. You don't need them to keep you safe. Sure. But, you will expect my insurance company, or my Medicare premiums, or my county tax dollars to pay for your hospitalization when you get sick and hospitalized. Right :-

    Hate to tell you but you do need our government to protect you from yourself, whether you realize it or not. Your post proves the point.

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    http://fas.org/sgp/crs/RS21414.pdf

    Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. In addition to the current laws,
    many states are considering or have considered the provisions set forth in the Model State
    Emergency Health Powers Act. The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act was
    drafted by The Center for Law and the Public’s Health at Georgetown and Johns Hopkins
    Universities.25 The Model Act seeks to “grant public health powers to state and local
    public health authorities to ensure strong, effective, and timely planning, prevention, and
    response mechanisms to public health emergencies (including bioterrorism) while also
    respecting individual rights.”26 It is important to note that this is intended to be a model
    for states to use in evaluating their emergency response plans, and passage of the Model
    Act in its entirety is not required. In fact, many states will likely use parts of the Model
    Act, but tailor their statutes and regulations to respond to unique or novel situations that
    may arise in their jurisdiction.
    The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act addresses a number of issues likely
    to arise during a public health emergency and offers guidelines for states with respect to
    what powers may be necessary during such an emergency. With respect to vaccinations,
    the Act includes provisions similar to the current laws discussed above. Under the Model
    Act, during a public health emergency the public health authority would be authorized to
    “vaccinate persons as protection against infectious disease and to prevent the spread of
    contagious or possibly contagious disease.”27 The Act requires that the vaccine be
    administered by a qualified person authorized by the public health authority, and that the
    vaccine “not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Hate to tell you but you do need our government to protect you from yourself, whether you realize it or not. Your post proves the point.
    The worlds greatest evil has been done with the best of intentions. I think there is a little bit of extreme in this thread on both sides. In this particular situation I have not seen anything purposely nefarious going on. That being said blindly accepting what the government tells you is good for you is a road to tyranny and oppression or simply stupid mistakes. Some governments are purposely evil, however more in this day in age are simply inept. All organizations have issues with group think and emotional panic in the face of a problem but the government is by far the worst victim of this mentality.

    The worst of it is if a corporation screws up and kills people they make it right or get sued and possibly jailed. The governments making these mistakes frequently have no repercussions largely because a government is a faceless entity.

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    If anyone is interested in the government making all their decisions for them there are a whole slew crimes you can commit to make this a reality for yourself.

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    So?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    So? That is pretty much what the law is now anyway.

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    The flu has been around since...well...forever.

    People get it all the time. Most recover after a week or two. Inconvenient? Of course. Do people think they are going to die when their body temperature exceeds 102? Only recently.

    H1N1, H2N4, M6X5, HEMI, R2D2.

    Who cares?

    Sure, the flu can kill. Most often the old and sickly, like this particular strain. Sometimes it takes out millions, like those without doctors and sanitary conditions in 1918. The truth is that every flu is some combination of letters and numbers. This particular variation is the most harmless to come around for years. Every year people die of the flu. This year fewer people are dying. We like the pig flu! Better than the unnamed one last year!

    It is good that people research the issue and provide opinions. Often, those opinions are as grounded in science as the global warming alarmists.

    Every year flu 'vaccines' are available. Some people take them. Some people get the flu, some do not. Some people who take vaccines get the flu, some don't.

    This version of hysteria is a joke. There is a greater chance of catching malaria than dying of pig flu. (Unless you go around kissing piglets. They are cute.)

    That said, if local government mandates a vaccine so children can attend public schools then people must obey if they want to participate. Of course, government should provide vouchers for those unwilling to force their children to be indoctrinated (I mean vaccinated.)

    It is this type of nonsensical hyperbole that deadens the public to a real future emergency.

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    People are running scared because of the 1918-1919 epidemic--it too started as a mild illness, then it began killing YOUNG HEALTHY people by the thousands. That flu had a similar set of genes to the H1N1 of today. NO ONE knows what's going to happen this year nor next so they are preparing for the worst--and tragedy and panic sell.

    Wash your hands, a lot....give the environmentalists something else to whine about (since water is in such short supply).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gg12 View Post
    Wash your hands, a lot....give the environmentalists something else to whine about (since water is in such short supply).
    Oh, and like Soetoro said, cover your mouth when you cough.

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    Cover your cough with your arm, so you don't pass it on through hand contact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Absolutely nothing because it isn't mandatory.

    See, almost everyone in this thread is in a big panic that they will have to obey the nasty "know nothing" public health officials.

    They fear they will have to do something the "bad bad bad awful horrible government" tells them to do for their own good.

    These same folk fail to take note of the fact that nothing whatsoever is mandatory.

    See, all the fear expressed in this thread is the product of imagination.
    Umm, check this out!!!

    Wake Up, America: Forced vaccinations, quarantine camps, health care interrogations and mandatory "decontaminations" by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

    and the bill itself,
    Senate Bill, No. 2028
    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

    Patrick Henry
    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus
    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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