Forum Members & Those W/ Kids - Get Educated On Vaccines

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    Exclamation Forum Members & Those W/ Kids - Get Educated On Vaccines

    Especially FIND OUT what is going on with the Swine Flu Vaccination Program which may become mandatory on a National level.
    Members with KIDS - Educate yourself on vaccines in general.
    I will be adding more information to this thread.
    There is strange stuff underfoot and very odd "goings on" regarding this H1N1 Swine Flu vaccine and preparations being made on a national level for this Fall.
    None of it makes sense for a mild Flu that has proved to be far less harmful than other past Flu strains.

    National Vaccine Information Center ? Vaccine Watch Dog

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    Mandatory shots could be more than they bargained for.

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    Oxford Hills
    National Guard drill at high school to prepare for possible H1N1 riot

    By Leslie H. Dixon, Staff Writer
    Published: Aug 13, 2009 1:46 am E-mail and sharePARIS

    Oxford Hills Comprehensive High School will be the site of a National Guard riot control drill Thursday morning to prepare in the event of a panic over distribution of serum to treat the swine flu.

    The school on Route 26 at the Paris-Norway town line has been designated by state officials as a distribution site for the H1N1 flu vaccine. The drill is to prepare for a worst-case scenario should the serum have to be transported from Augusta and people rush to get it.

    On Thursday morning, four or five National Guard Humvees will travel from Augusta to Paris with vials of fake serum. The National Guardsmen will take on the roles of panicked citizens and military police and practice what they would do, such as using tear gas, in the case of a riot.

    "This is just a component of moving the stuff from point A to B," said Oxford County Emergency Management Agency Director Scott Parker. The plan will be put into place only if needed, he said.

    Plans were developed in April to have vials of serum sent from the federal government to Augusta, Parker said. From Augusta, the supplies will be transported to designated distribution centers.

    During the April conference, concerns were raised about a possible out-of-control rush on the serum, Parker said. Because of that concern, Gov. John Baldacci and Gen. John Libby, adjutant general of the Maine National Guard, agreed that a plan should be devised to quell such a disturbance.

    Local police chiefs have also been involved in the planning, Parker said. In a real event, local police would be in charge of security once the serum arrives in Paris. "We own it. We're in charge of providing security," he said.

    As of Aug. 5, the Maine Center for Disease Control said there had been 323 confirmed cases of H1N1 in Maine, of which 176 are Maine residents and the rest out-of-staters diagnosed in Maine. A total of 19 people required hospitalization. Sixty percent of the victims were under the age of 25.

    On Tuesday, health authorities reported Maine's first death from the H1N1 virus. Dr. Dora Anne Mills, director of the Maine Center for Disease Control, said a York County man in his 50s was hospitalized for three weeks and died last week of underlying conditions complicated by H1N1.

    The drill will take place behind the school and will not affect the day-to-day activities within the school. Access to the school building will be available through the main entrance, Parker said.

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    Will Americans follow orders to take flu shots?

    Alarmist language sparking fears of mandatory vaccinations, quarantines
    Posted: August 11, 2009
    10:56 pm Eastern
    By Bob Unruh

    Alarmist language over possible outbreaks of swine flu as well as a series of moves by the federal government are fueling fears federal agents will soon be forcing citizens to be vaccinated – prompting one political party to launch a pre-emptive defense against any such effort.

    The Constitution Party, a fast-growing alternative to the dominant Democratic and Republican parties in many elections, has come out strongly in opposition to any "mandatory injections" of "potential toxic (H1N1) 'swine flu' vaccine."

    Citing the Fourth Amendment, which says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons … shall not be violated," Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer said the issue isn't that complex.

    "It comes down to the most fundamental of all freedoms. If government can force potentially dangerous substances into our bodies what, then, can't government do to us?" he said.

    "Whether mandated by the federal government, the individual states such as Massachusetts or international organizations like the World Health Organization or the United Nations, forcing potentially dangerous chemicals on a free people is tyranny," Clymer said.

    The Constitution Party cited the research of Bill Sardi, who noted the "cozy relationship" where the WHO "prematurely" declares a pandemic, forcing dozens of governments to buy flu vaccines. Then, he wrote, public health authorities invoke mandatory vaccination programs for children.

    The enriched vaccine makers then "funnel profits back to the politicians."

    The party noted the alarmist behavior on the part of the U.S. Departments of Health and Homeland Security, which earlier this year when "several people" were "diagnosed" with swine flu, declared a national public health emergency.

    When that was declared in April, schools were closed, people quarantined and pharmaceutical companies awarded billion dollar contracts, the party explained.

    Condemnation also has come from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who cited the swine flu vaccination program in 1976. The effort killed more than two dozen people – not from the flu but from the vaccine.

    Paul said he was concerned that "nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a 'potential pandemic flu' which could result in mandatory vaccinations for no discernable reason other than to enrich the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccine."

    Clymer also expressed concern about turning over decisions inside the United States to an international organization like the WHO. Adding other pieces to the puzzle, such as the Pentagon's involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, just adds to his worries, he said.

    According to a Fox report, the Pentagon is planning to make available military troops – if they are needed – to help FEMA respond to a flu outbreak.

    The report said Defense Secretary Robert Gates is preparing to sign an order letting the military set up regional teams to help FEMA.

    "Americans should be gravely concerned when all the pieces are put together," Clymer said. "We have a strain of flu which has produced mild symptoms so far, and yet it appears there's a well-orchestrated world-wide effort to put draconian measures in place for a 'pandemic.'"

    Clymer also cited the WHO recommendations that would provide, essentially, for an indefinite stay in a quarantine camp for those who refuse a vaccination. He said the procedures that follow a "Level 6 Pandemic" allow international precedent to override U.S. constitutional guarantees of freedom.

    The party statement said, "All liberty-loving Americans should shudder at the WHO directives which state: 'During a pandemic, it may be necessary to overrule existing legislation or (individual) human rights. Examples are the enforcement of quarantine (overruling individual freedom of movement), use of privately owned buildings for hospitals, off-license use of drugs, compulsory vaccination or implementation of emergency shifts in essential services."

    No such extraordinary efforts are needed, the Constitution Party said, because according to the Centers for Disease Control, "the fear mongering regarding this flu is not warranted by forensic evidence that H1N1 is the potentially devastating plague the hyperbole purports it to be."

    According to the Fox report, the bird flu frenzy during 2005 prompted the Bush administration to add influenza to the government's list of diseases for which quarantines are allowed, creating a path through which people who exhibit symptoms could be detained by government order.

    Governors, however, according to a report from The Hill, are objecting to the potential involvement of the feds.

    Gov. Jim Douglas, R-Vermont, head of the National Governors Association, and Vice Chairman Gov. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., wrote, "We are concerned that the legislative proposal … would invite confusion on critical command and control issues, complicate interagency planning, establish stove-piped response efforts, and interfere with governors’ constitutional responsibilities to ensure the safety and security of their citizens," Douglas and Manchin wrote to Paul Stockton, assistant secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America's Security Affairs.

    And the Fox report said even a spokesman for the Defense Department acknowledged the concerns "about civil liberties and the use of force."

    Attorney Robert L. Shannon told the network the military generally isn't allowed to intervene in peoples' lives, "But it's important to remember that the president has the option and authority to use federal troops in a national emergency."

    An ACLU spokesman told Fox that the idea of forced vaccinations or detentions would raise constitutional questions, and Michel Chossudovsky, writing on the Global Research website, said the implications are "far-reaching."

    "The decision points toward the establishment of a police state," he said.

    At Natural News.com, a warning was issued that more and more incidents are being reported involving forced vaccinations in the United States – usually through workplace or school demands.

    "Attorney Alan Phillips, author of Dispelling Vaccination Myths, … got interested in the subject when he noticed the warning on a vaccination that was about to be administered to his infant child. The warning clearly stated that the odds of death from the vaccination were considerably higher than death from the diseases it was supposed to immunize," the report said.

    The site even promotes a petition to halt forced vaccinations.

    As the flu season approaches, a conference also has been scheduled to allow leaders of government and industry to consult on the potential problem.

    The event in the past has been used to discuss various strains of bird flu, but this year is being called the International Swine Flue Conference. It's Aug. 19-20 at the Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill.

    Among the topics to be considered are: "Unwillingness to follow government orders," "Control & diffuse social unrest & public disorder," "Protect police forces from falling ill & from being hurt in civil disturbances," and "Manage a surge in crime & meet routine requests at the same time."

    The international flu conference, promoted by New-Fields.com, is being assembled for "top leaders and decision-makers" from a broad range of industries as well as "scientists, public health officials, law enforcers, first responders, and other experts."

    The promotional brochure lists topics:


    Mass fatality management planning


    Country report and situations update


    Surveillance and data management


    Command, control and management, and others.

    Meanwhile, the Associated Press is reporting that Americans in eight cities are preparing to take a swine flu vaccine that still is in the testing stages, in manufacturers' hopes that the vaccine will be on the market soon.

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    Authorities were worried about summer camps for kids this year. College is less than a month away and with a new freshman attending college with kids from all over the globe, I'm very concerned. I'm not panicked, nor do I think anyone else should be.

    Most of this is typical disaster preparedness using the flavor of the month as a theme. Been through many that never came to be, but are still a possibility. Always train to the worst case scenario.

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    Yeah, hype and lies. How many people die due to regular flu? Count my family out of the squalene flu virus. I will NOT be forced into the drugging of my kids.
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    It is all hype anyway
    Health minister reassures parents over swine flu - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    AFP: Australia urges calm after child flu death
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    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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    I understand that this may somewhat political, and I can see how this may not be directly 2A related, but please let this thread stand. It could potentially cover all of our rights.
    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus
    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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    What rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus View Post
    I understand that this may somewhat political, and I can see how this may not be directly 2A related, but please let this thread stand. It could potentially cover all of our rights.
    What rights? The right to foolishly not protect ourselves by rejecting the recommendations of public health officials?

    Be my guest. Don't get vaccinated. Don't vaccinate your kid. Be one of those who complain about end of life costs while your kid lays there in pediatric intensive care. Then blame the kid's illness on a government conspiracy.

    The law is quite clear that public health authorities and public school officials on advice of public health authorities have broad powers to insist that attendance is contingent on being vaccinated.

    And, historically, these school folks have bent over backward to accommodate a wide array of personal objections.

    No one is going to put a gun to anyone's head and force them to get vaccinated; not for this relatively mild disease. But, I do have to ask if not vaccinating your kid --and then the kid gets sick and dies-- isn't
    child abuse, negligent homicide, and all the other stuff to be found on the books somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus View Post
    I understand that this may somewhat political, and I can see how this may not be directly 2A related, but please let this thread stand. It could potentially cover all of our rights.
    Amen!! It is information.

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    Hopyard.
    You can have my dose of vaccine.

    One more injection available for the general population.

    I've never had the flu and there have been past flu outbreaks one heckova lot worse and more virulent than H1N1.

    I don't plan on getting either the Swine Flu or the vaccine.

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    I would never say that parents should not have their kids vaccinated.

    I AM saying that they should educate themselves and reach their own educated conclusions.

    I don't tell other people what to do with their children except to never abuse them.

    In Pennsylvania parents have the right to "opt out" of vaccinations for their kids.

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    QK, your choice

    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Hopyard.
    You can have my dose of vaccine.

    One more injection available for the general population.

    I've never had the flu and there have been past flu outbreaks one heckova lot worse and more virulent than H1N1.

    I don't plan on getting either the Swine Flu or the vaccine.

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    I would never say that parents should not have their kids vaccinated.

    I AM saying that they should educate themselves and reach their own educated conclusions.

    I don't tell other people what to do with their children except to never abuse them.

    In Pennsylvania parents have the right to "opt out" of vaccinations for their kids.
    Your choice. You bet I'll take "your dose." I have had the flu, the real deal with 104 + fever, unable to care for myself, wife unable to care for herself, and kiddo sick as heck and both parents unable to take care of the kid. It was a 4 day nightmare which we got through only with the help of friends who happened to just show up at our door unannounced and uninvited except perhaps by the deity.

    That was 30 years ago and I haven't missed a flu vaccine since, and never had the flu since.

    I'm glad PA lets folks opt out. That is appropriate. The real question is whether or not folks should be encouraged to opt out, and in my opinion the answer to that one is no, they should not be. Their kids and their own safety depend on being protected.

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    Vaccinations won't be happening in this household. Stopped believing and trusting the government long ago. If the parasites in govt. were so concerned about our well being they would have ceased spending and sealed the borders.
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    It seems clear to me that it should be the parents choice and it is also their responsibility to educate themselves. Remember a hastily put together vaccine could be worse than the disease itself as it was in 1976. I am not a huge anti vaccine proponent and think many of them are safe. I do think the swine flue has potential to get much worse if given time to mutate. Remember the 1918 Spanish flu strain actually started in late 1916 but was a mild illness at the time. As of right now it would almost be better to get this version of the flu if it does become deadly later. That way you would be naturally vaccinated as many of the people were who had the early versions of the Spanish flu. I am not advocating trying to get the flu I am just saying if you happen to you could be better off in the end (assuming you are not one of the few who die from it).

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    Interesting Question:

    Why would hospitals routinely vaccinate newborn infants against Hepatitis B using a vaccine that contains a Mercury compound as a vaccine preservative when the two most common ways that Hepatitis B (exceedingly rare anyway) is contracted is VIA a shared contaminated "junkie" needle or intimate contact with another infected person...usually sexual?

    And then at the very same time we have other qualified medical professionals advising fully grown adults with Mercury amalgam tooth fillings to have those removed and replaced due to serious health concerns and harmful effects of even minute trace amounts of Mercury leaching from dental fillings into the body.


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    And friendly advice to Hopyard. If you want to opt for the Swine Flu vaccine then that is your choice BUT, don't be one of the very first to stand in line for it.
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    International Swine Flu Conference

    Conference Brochure
    http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

    On the good news side, here is a really cool treatment that is getting tested right now, using UV light to help the body fight viruses. Watch the video on the page.
    Let's hope it is available here soon!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus
    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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