This is a discussion on Looks like E-Verify is going to happen after all. within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Hopyard Cheap labor increases the calculated productivity, but not productivity itself. The increase comes about as follows: X amount of widgets produced ...
First> YES! Out of all the folks I've worked with, those guys not only KNOW the work inside and out, but work the hardest and do the best job for the money, because they have this...unfortunately faded vision of American dream where they learn as much as they can, work as hard as they can, and will be able to reap the products of that hard work. So they do the best they can to get here and work their asses off doing it.
Second> If "our folks" can't afford the product, perhaps that's something they should rectify on their own, no? ...or maybe force the government to quit diddling around with the prices(gas/oil/electricity/"essential commodities" anyone?).
As for your friend...The fact that there's limited demand for his work has nothing to do with illegals getting jobs and "beating down" wages. Beaten down wages is a product of producers trying to cut cost as they flail about in what's left of the ruins of free trade that have been effectively demolished by a government with severe socialistic/anti-freedom tendencies. In effect, the government screwed him over. However, He still has options, choices, and free will. Move, adapt, change...
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Falsely claims ownership? No, our vorders define the boundaries of our nation. Our land was won in battle and purchased from other nations. It is most definitely our land, our nation and NO ONE has a right to negate our property rights. There is NO difference between privately owned and land collectively owned by the American people. In neither case should an unwanted invader be tolerated.As to the open borders comment, open borders have nothing to do with allowing some unknown person to enter your private property/residence at will. There is a huge difference between privately owned property and open land, which the collective(government) falsely claims ownership of.
No borders is anarchy.oh and don't lump me in with Libertarians. They want anarchy. I don't.
If this is what you are saying, it proves that we are not in a fair fight. An illegal alien, working under the table, is able to work for a lesser wage, because he keeps his whole paycheck (in cash), while a U.S. citizen working legitimately has to pay his taxes and feed his family, pay the rent, etc. Call it a 30% advantage, easily. I still have no idea why you feel this is a fair fight. Do you, by chance, know some people who are working illegally?
Can someone please tell me why there is a mistaken belief that those who follow a Libertarian mindset are anarchist? One wants to see less government (guard our borders, etc) and the other wants to see the government go away completely. Libertarians are the original conservatives and wish for less government like Republicans say they do. To say they are anarchists is just blatantly wrong and ignorant of what their goals are.
Also, to remain on topic, we are talking about people who are illegally here. The fact that they are illegally here seems to keep being overlooked. Nothing more really needs to be said. They are illegal. They do not pay taxes but reap the benefits (infrastructure, etc). And the fact that we have states where they can actually apply for welfare benefits and get them.. It makes my head spin. They are ILLEGALLY here.
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