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    Looks like E-Verify is going to happen after all.

    Contractors Must Check For Immigrant Status - Government Inc.

    Contractors Must Check For Immigrant Status
    Looks like E-Verify is going to happen after all.

    Starting Sept. 8, federal contractors will have to participate in a broad effort to crack down on illegal immigration by confirming that employees are allowed to work in the U.S.

    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced the Obama administration's support of the decade-old program on July 8.

    That mandate, requiring contractors to use the system known as E-Verify, has been delayed repeatedly. Critics have complained that the system, which verifies that employees have legitimate Social Security numbers, often gets it wrong. Napolitano said the system has improved.

    "Requiring those who seek federal contracts to use this system will create a more reliable and legal workforce. The rule complements our Department's continued efforts to strengthen immigration law enforcement and protect critical employment opportunities. As Senator Schumer and others have recognized, we need to continue to work to improve E-Verify, and we will.

    "The federal contractor rule extends use of the E-Verify system to covered federal contractors and subcontractors, including those who receive American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. After a careful review, the Administration will push ahead with full implementation of the rule, which will apply to federal solicitations and contract awards Government-wide starting on September 8, 2009."

    A story by Washington Technology's Alice Lipowicz included these thoughts:

    "Implementing the mandatory E-Verify system has been postponed four times, first in January. White House officials said they needed more time to review a pending lawsuit brought by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that challenged the constitutionality of mandatory E-Verify use by federal contractors, which had started as an executive order by President George W. Bush.

    "Under Bush's executive order, about 168,000 federal contractors were to begin mandatory use of E-Verify starting this January. The order applies to federal contracts valued at more than $100,000 and subcontracts worth more than $3,000.

    "The lawsuit challenging the rule is pending in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. Co-plaintiffs with the chamber are the Society for Human Resource Management, the Associated Builders and Contractors, the HR Policy Association, and the American Council on International Personnel. Chamber officials were not immediately available for comment today."
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    I like it but I fear them forcing everyone to use it as a means of tracking and control later on.
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    At this point, I think this only pertains to Gov. contractors/subcontractors. It wouldnt hurt to implement this into the public sector as well. There are alot of Americans out of work that illegal aliens have. I know this opens a new can of worms but re-employing Americans should be a priority too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcher View Post
    At this point, I think this only pertains to Gov. contractors/subcontractors. It wouldnt hurt to implement this into the public sector as well. There are alot of Americans out of work that illegal aliens have. I know this opens a new can of worms but re-employing Americans should be a priority too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paco View Post
    I like it but I fear them forcing everyone to use it as a means of tracking and control later on.

    I agree with this,. It is a bittersweet,.. If we controled the boarders better, there wouldn't be the need for this,.. I'm sure most business people know when they are hiring someone that is illegal,.. They just chose to look the other way and pretend they don't know..

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    I applaud the purpose and wish there were a way to make something like E-verify actually work, but there isn't.

    One big problem, there are always people who fall through the cracks one way or another and don't have the documents everyone else thinks everyone else should have.

    For example, while watching the story about the young kidnapped lady who gave birth to two children while in captivity, my wife commented: "can you imagine what it is going to be like trying to get a social security number for them without a birth-certificate?"

    There is always something. Bldgs containing records burn down, have floods. People lose pieces of paper, including pieces of paper needed to get other pieces of paper.

    Even if you put microchips in every kid at birth (impossible if you think about the example above) there will inevitably be people who just can not come up with the specific types of documents the paper pushers will insist upon.

    So, while I think the idea of asking employers to verify id is meant well, I am certain some people will be the victim of outcomes beyond their control.

    I don't worry about an overbearing government using this to blackball people. I do worry about all the folks out there who are legally here and naturally born here who will for one reason or another lack the paper.

    I recall a news story about a newly widowed 35 year old who had never had a DL. After her husband died she could not get a DL without a birth certificate (which she had lost) and could not get a certified copy of the lost birth certificate without a DL. Checkmate.

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    I was under the impression this was implemented a while back. when I lived in AZ, quite a few employers were using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcher View Post
    At this point, I think this only pertains to Gov. contractors/subcontractors. It wouldnt hurt to implement this into the public sector as well. There are alot of Americans out of work that illegal aliens have. I know this opens a new can of worms but re-employing Americans should be a priority too.
    I agree, we must do something to stop illegal aliens from
    taking Americans and legal aliens jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    I agree, we must do something to stop illegal aliens from
    taking Americans and legal aliens jobs.
    Really? Why are the "Americans and legal aliens" jobs being taken I might ask? Maybe if the Americans and legal aliens weren't dirty rotten lazy ...well you know. they wouldn't "lose" jobs. It's a fair fight folks. No fight in life is ever fair, but this one is. SUCK IT UP! Simple fact of the matter is that the "illegals" work harder, cheaper. You want the job that you think some "illegal" "Stole" from you? DO A BETTER JOB!

    Flippin lazy buggers are getting on my nerves. Yes, I'm a ribs and corn-fed, white american and no, my job hasn't been stolen and I work my hind end off for it too!

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    I agree something needs to be done with this, perhaps it may not be the best system, but it is a start. As for the border itself, they can't build that fence fast enough and they need to send more border patrol agents as well.

    I think back to the great book, "when nations die" I read back in the 1990s, where uncontrolled immigration was described as one of the telltale signs of nations and empires in decline....
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    I don't want to see this happen! If it works, you and I will be in the system soon. As stated before me, there are those that simply will fall through the system. When I drove a truck, there was one guy that was born in rual GA, and at home. He never had a BC, and was never able to get one because there was no proff of his birth!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I recall a news story about a newly widowed 35 year old who had never had a DL. After her husband died she could not get a DL without a birth certificate (which she had lost) and could not get a certified copy of the lost birth certificate without a DL. Checkmate.
    Which only goes to show she should've gotten her driver's license when she was a teenager, like virtually everybody else in the country.

    Illegal immigration is destroying the country as we know it, and e-verify is a good first step. As far as I'm concerned, your 35-year old can ride the bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    Which only goes to show she should've gotten her driver's license when she was a teenager, like virtually everybody else in the country.
    So, do you want to make it a law that everyone must get a DL at 16? Not that doing so would solve the missing papers issue.

    Lots of people don't learn to drive at 16 because their parents can't afford it, don't own a car, or live in the middle of big cities where cars aren't a necessity. There are kids who don't have library cards, school photo id, etc., because they are schooled at home and don't use public resources. what are they to use for ID if a BC can't be located?

    The fact is, a small but not insignificant proportion of people born here do not have "papers." I had a boss who was born in the mid-west, served in the Army and was honorably discharged, but didn't have and couldn't get a birth certificate* because the town hall had burned down. It was big time fun for him when he needed a passport.

    Besides, we should be able to go about our business without having to produce papers like in all the totalitarian places you all concern yourselves with. The need for ID is a relatively new thing. Now we have Red Lock Rules; hotels asking for ID; and DL being used as an internal passport even to get on a bus or buy an Amtrack ticket. IT is all very "expedient" and fundamentally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carver View Post
    I don't want to see this happen! If it works, you and I will be in the system soon. As stated before me, there are those that simply will fall through the system. When I drove a truck, there was one guy that was born in rual GA, and at home. He never had a BC, and was never able to get one because there was no proff of his birth!?!
    You're already in a system (but not the E-Verify system).

    Every employer you've ever worked for should have required you to fill out a W-4 and an I-9 (Employment Eligibility Verification).

    E-Verify is an Immigration database. Employers use it to verify the employment eligibility of aliens (foreign nationals). E-Verify is not (and never will be) used for American citizens.
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