September 7th, 2009 08:25 AM
Very well said, thank you
Originally Posted by grandma4
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September 7th, 2009 10:03 AM
Problem and Rhetorical question: Students stand and say the Pledge of Allegence each morning at school. Some students choose to opt out of this but for the most part students are expected to participate and of course many want to. As a teacher for 32 years I know this because I led the pledge on most occassions. I had a few during those 32 years that refused and I could not make them. We start this in kindergarten and it continues throughout school. By definition indoctrination is: to instruct in a doctrine, principle, or ideology.
Heres the questions:
If we are doing this each morning starting even at early ages is this not a form of indoctrination?
If we as parents are communicating the values of hard work and education is this not also indoctrination?
If we are communicating positive values and principles that as a society we cherish is this by the defintion also indoctrination?
Why have some people decided that if the President communicates the same values that we as a society cherish then this is somehow bad?
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September 7th, 2009 10:51 AM
As the father in a homeschooling family, I love the hypocrisy of the American public.
They whine and moan about the indoctrination of children when it's overt, but are oblivious to the subtle types of indoctrination that occur every day in such an environment.
Schools are forced, by law, to give equal claim to every faith or creed. Do your religious beliefs give equal preeminence to all other religious beliefs? Probably not, mine certainly doesn't! Referring to the beliefs of, say, the LDS: Either I'm wrong and they are right; I'm right and they are wrong or we're both wrong. We can't both be right.
Those who will not govern their own behavior are slaves waiting for a master; one will surely find them.
September 7th, 2009 12:19 PM
You talk about President Kennedy, what was the message he gave us, " And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.
Originally Posted by rodc13
My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
I did not see anywhere where Kennedy ask us to serve him. From the video clip, I do hear them take the pledge of Serving Obam
"When the people fear the government you have tyranny...when the government fears the people you have liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson --
September 7th, 2009 12:33 PM
I wonder if his salute is the one Jonny cash is known for.
September 7th, 2009 12:37 PM
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