Can anyone identify these snakes?

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    That's so cool having a hibernaculum in your back yard. If you bring them to a conservation office, they'll be very interested; or call an agent to report a possible venomous snake - they will probably relocate them for you.

    Is there a single row of scales on the tail after its clocia?

    I think the head looks wrong for hognose, bull, or gopher snake.

    Just to be sure, grab one by the base of the head and open its mouth to check for fangs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
    That's so cool having a hibernaculum in your back yard. If you bring them to a conservation office, they'll be very interested; or call an agent to report a possible venomous snake - they will probably relocate them for you.

    I think the head looks wrong for hognose, bull, or gopher snake.

    Just to be sure, grab one by the base of the head and open its mouth to check for fangs.
    yea right...I'm going to grab one by the base of the head and check for fangs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Those are not poisonous. Those are not even vipers. Their heads are not wide enough nor are they triangular enough. Their tails are long and taper into a skinny point.
    Yep... NOT poisonous! Kingdaddyohs, "snake charmer" does come to mind however.
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    I believe there are several snakes that shake their tails to mimic a rattlesnake, especially works if they are in some leaves.
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    The one on the left looks like my mother in law!
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    Speaking as an old biology teacher... bullet heads suggest non-poisonous, while triangular heads suggest poisonous. This isn't a 100% rule, but certainly a strong enough association that I would keep my paws out of the bucket.

    Sure looks like the black rattler to me based on the photos.
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    The group of nine large scales on the top of the head indicates Massasaugas. Rattlers would have a mix of large and small scales. According to my books their venom is highly toxic. Also, according to the books, adults range from 18 to 26 inches with a record of 34" in Missouri and 39" elsewhere. Not supposed to be very aggressive, but who wants to find out.

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    Scary resemblance here. This is the Massasauga.
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    • Garter snake? Head and markings all wrong.
    • Gopher snake? Head all wrong.
    • Hognose snake? Nose wrong.
    • Bull nose? Neck wrong (though they may fill out as they grow)
    • Bull snake? Head shape wrong.
    • Black rattler/Massasaugua? Nose plate shape wrong. (Note that plate shape is one of the biggest things biologists go by as they identify snake species.)
    • Markings don't match anything, though markings can be pretty variable.

    I still don't like the head shape. I would call the local university's biology department, and try not to get bit by one.

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    Tail looks wrong for a rattler but the head looks right, see attached.
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    Whatever they are the shape of the head would tell me they are very probably poisonous,
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    I'm going to say Fox Snakes because they try to rattle, hiss, and strike, all common actions of the fox snake, but the had shape is throwing me a little.

    Next would be a plains hog nose snake, but they don't try to rattle nor hiss and strike. They often flatten their heads to appear poisonous and then they just play dead.
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    I'm no snake expert, but we did have a pool at one time, and I well remember the occasional snake that got into it.

    The picture you posted looks like the snakes are in the skimmer and I'm guessing the snakes are actually pretty small. They seem very similar to the type that we had. I think they are some variety of "water snake" plus I think that though they are small, they might be adults.

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    Possibly the head does not look correct for a Fox Snake because the are so juvenile. I also would have said Fox snake except for the head looking incorrect.

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