California Self Destructs?

California Self Destructs?

This is a discussion on California Self Destructs? within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; I think we all can say we've seen tons of both business and people leave California for other states in the last few years. The ...

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    California Self Destructs?

    I think we all can say we've seen tons of both business and people leave California for other states in the last few years. The pace has even picked up in the last year or two. I believe there are varied reasons for this. The state's and some cities support of violating national immigration laws, increasing left leaning policies restricting peoples freedom of choice and the ever increasing taxes on it's citizens and on small businesses which make up so much of California's economy are but a few. Now even their U.S. Senators have voted to restrict much needed water to a large agricultural region because of a 2" minnow. Now the agriculture economy is suffering greatly. There's no reason for California's economy to be in the shambles it is in. And now there's a study out about it. You think they might learn anything from it?

    State regulations cost $493 billion, 3.8 million jobs | jobs, billion, million - Local News - Victorville Daily Press

    State regulations cost $493 billion, 3.8 million jobs
    September 26, 2009 11:00 AM
    Jan Norman The Orange County Register

    The total cost of state regulations on businesses is $493 billion and 3.8 million jobs according to the first-of-its kind study.

    That’s an average of $134,122 per California business, $13,801 per household and $4,685 per resident each year.
    The California report is significant, according to the Governor’s Office of Small Business Advocate, because small businesses are 98 percent of the state’s enterprises and provide 52 percent of the jobs.

    The study parallels a 2005 federal report on business regulations commissioned by the Office of Advocacy within the U.S. Small Business Administration. That report concluded that federal regulations cost $7,647 per employee for businesses with fewer than 20 employees.

    This state report is based on data used by Forbes magazine’s annual ranking of state for business friendliness. It does not single out specific regulations that drive up costs.

    Among the California conclusions:

    • The total cost ($493 billion) is almost five times the state’s general fund budget and a third of the state’s gross product.

    • The 3.8 million jobs lost equals one-tenth of California’s population. California has about 14 million jobs, down 1 million from the peak in July 2007.

    • The total cost breakdown is $266.5 billion in direct costs of various regulations, $210.5 billion lost labor income and $16 billion in business taxes the state would get without the regulations

    The study was done by Sanjay Varshney, dean of business administration, and Dennis Tootelian, director of the Center for Small Business at California State University, Sacramento.

    “This study sheds light on the realities of regulations on small business in California,” said Marty Keller, the governor’s small business advocate.

    The California office of the National Federation of Independent Business was more blunt. “This study validates what NFIB and small business has been saying all along, that small businesses face insurmountable costs and disincentives to grow in our state when it comes to regulations,” said state Executive Director John Kabateck. “We understand that some regulation is needed to have a fair and balanced market, but there needs to be a reality check…

    “California needs a functioning system of evaluating the cost of regulations before they go into effect, and the Legislature would be well served to analyze the compliance cost of proposed laws before they mandate businesses to comply.”

    Gino DiCaro of the California Manufacturers & Technology Association, added, “Over the past few years of California’s manufacturing and economic decline, the state’s regulatory environment has been pinpointed as a primary reason for the high costs and unpredictability that makes the state an uncompetitive place to do business - small or large. One producer of construction aggregates in the state, Vulcan Materials, testified in an Assembly Jobs Committee hearing in June that it ‘is not uncommon for the permitting process to involve millions of dollars and in some cases to take as long as 10 years to secure the necessary permits, many of which address duplicative regulatory aspects.’”


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    Hey the Colorado river is a more natural boundary between Mexico and the US anyway. How do you spell disaster.....D E M O C R A T. And that includes Schwarzenegger.
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    Perhaps Hollywood can make a movie about the destructive nature of California liberals and politians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    Hey the Colorado river is a more natural boundary between Mexico and the US anyway. How do you spell disaster.....D E M O C R A T. And that includes Schwarzenegger.
    He ain't lying.
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    So goes California, so goes the nation.....

    People better start paying attention, because that is what is in store for us if we don't change things soon. Just the fact that they cut off the water to those poor farmers to save a 2" minnow that would have become extinct anyway through the process of natural selection is madness anyway.

    They get the kind of government they deserve.....
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    I, for one don't plan to take Horace Greely's advice with California in mind when I relocate. I am thinking farm country in the midwest or southeast part of the country. I am finding myself wanting to go back to my roots.

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    That place is a real bowl of Granola. Full of fruits, nuts and flakes.

    I know, let's follow their logic to it's fullest extent and just exterminate all of Humanity so all of the animals can live in piece!

    And to think, I used to live there!
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    California Self Destructs?
    They've got plenty of time to do it, but the way they're rushing it, it will be done in my lifetime I have no doubts. Call it Omega-land....history.....kaput....gone.

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    I don't have much to add to this thread except to say this:

    California is MY home State. Do I come here and piss and moan about YOUR home State?

    Thank you for your participation in this test of the golden rule.

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    California has been wasting away for years in the grip of liberal governmental cancer.
    The fact that some call it home is irrelevant.

    I call the U.S. my home, and you can be sure I have plenty of unkind things to say about it's current leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post

    I call the U.S. my home, and you can be sure I have plenty of unkind things to say about it's current leadership.
    What a coincidence, me too.


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