Since when do schools have the authority to search vehicles on the premise?
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Eagle Scout Hires Lawyer to Appeal Monthlong School Suspension - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.comIs anyone else increasingly concerned that common sense has been completely taken out of the decision making process thanks to these "Zero Tolerance" rules? This whole thing makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.Eagle Scout Hires Lawyer to Appeal Monthlong School Suspension
Monday, October 19, 2009
The parents of an Eagle Scout who was suspended from his upstate New York high school for a month over a 2-inch pocketknife he kept locked in his car have retained a lawyer to appeal their school district's zero-tolerance policies and demand that their son's record be cleared.
Education lawyer Victor DeBonis is working pro bono for the family of 17-year-old Matthew Whalen, who has been banned from Lansingburgh High School for 20 school days.
Whalen's father said he hopes the school board will reverse the decision of Lansingburgh Central School District Superintendent George Goodwin, who extended Matthew's initial five-day suspension into a monthlong sentence — and he is threatening a lawsuit if all other options are exhausted.
"If they overturn the superintendent's actions and expunge my son's record, I guess we're done," said Bryan Whalen, who said DeBonis filed the appeal Monday morning. "If they don't, then there will be further steps."
Whalen says the school district violated his son's due process by disregarding state education guidelines when they suspended him. Whalen said he received written notification of the suspension six days too late, according to state law.
The high school senior has nearly completed the term of his suspension, but Whalen's family hopes to have his record cleared by the time the teen applies to the U.S. Military Academy.
"It should be just reversed and expunged because it was just wrong — procedurally they did everything they could do wrong," the father said.
If the board refuses their appeal, he plans to press his case with the state's education commissioner. He said he hopes to avoid a lawsuit, which would have to prove concrete damages, a difficult and costly option for the family.
For the past month, Matthew Whalen has been getting just 90 minutes a day with a tutor instead of seven hours of instruction in class. He says he is worried that his suspension will mar his academic record and affect his application to West Point.
In suspending Matthew, Goodwin cited a zero-tolerance policy that bans all weapons from school grounds. The small utility knife — a gift from Matthew's grandfather, a police chief in a nearby town was part of a survival kit he kept in his car that included a sleeping bag, water and a ready-to-eat meal. The knife was discovered when school officials searched the teen's car.
Whalen, who completed a 10-week Army basic training session over the summer, was taught as an Eagle Scout how to handle tools including the pocketknife, and he instructs Boy Scouts how to safely handle knives.
But the school's rule book brands possession of a knife to be "violent" conduct, and leaves it to the discretion of the superintendent to determine the proper punishment. Goodwin has refused to budge on his decision, and has yet to speak to Whalen's family.
Nowhere in the school district's rule book, which is published online, is there any mention of a zero-tolerance policy, leading some to question whether Goodwin, in fact, was compelled to suspend Matthew.
A monthly school board meeting is scheduled for Oct. 27, six days after Whalen is set to return to school, and the teen's family hopes that the issue will be addressed then or at a separate hearing.
Whalen's father says his district should follow the example of a school board in Delaware that last week unanimously overturned a decision ordering a 6-year-old Cub Scout to go to an alternative reform school for 45 days after he brought a fork-spoon-knife multi-tool to lunch.
"The ball is back in their court," he said. "Hopefully they'll just [follow] the direction like that Delaware school board did and correct the errors that the school made."
"Bravery is the capacity to perform properly even when scared half to death." -- General Omar Bradley
Since when do schools have the authority to search vehicles on the premise?
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Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. Incidents like this need to be handled on a case-by-case basis, not just some blanket cover anything policy.
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This MUST be a "gang-buster" type of move, this zero-tolerance thing you speak of.
Those dasterdly Eagle Scouts ALWAYS looking for trouble!
All this common sense is giving me a headache........
Things like this always amaze me.
When I was a kid I carried a Boy Scout knife every day from the time I joined at age 11, and this was in the New York City Public School system. I guess it's a sad commentary on our times.
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Maybe the more fights like this are what we need to push this zero intelligence nonsense out the door...
There were zero tolerance policies in my schools growing up as far back as I can remember.
Similar policies with your vehicles in high school. If the school officials felt they had a legit reason to search your vehicle, they did. Sometimes this meant calling you out of class to have you open the car for them so they could do the search.
The advice given to us at the beginning of each year fell along the lines of: "Don't leave anything suspicious in your car."
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
I carried a folder with a 6 inch blade from about 9th grade on in the late 70's... the thing stuck out of my back pocket at least an inch or two, but I was never even questioned about it. And in high school, a friend of mine had an after-school job at a trap and skeet range.... he had 2 or 3 shotguns in his trunk pretty much every day. No problem...
It's a different world...
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Personally I hope this goes to court and they hammer the nits that did this to the Eagle Scout. Especially if the "Zero Tolerance" policy is not part of the published student handbook!
What this teaches is to not trust authority figures, especially if you are a good guy.
My son's best friend got kicked out of school. He had a fishing pole in the bed of the truck. The Dare officer opened the tool box and found a fillet knife. The fillet knife still had fish scales on it.
I believe that was an illegal search.
It didn't matter. The principal had his mind made up and the school board backed him.
The friend was suspended for two months.
I'd like to see someone challenge the constitutionality of these vehicle searches.
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I helped my son's kindergarten class one day and I noticed that there was a drug sniffing dog getting walked around the high school students cars in the adjacent parking lot.
I don't have all of the details, but this doesn't seem legal without proper legal channels. Everyday it seems like we have become a nation wherein everyone is looked at like a criminal, regardless.
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