Thanksgiving and the failure of our school system

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    Thanksgiving and the failure of our school system

    I went to school in the 70's and 80's, and never read this... and history was one of my favorite subjects. I can't imagine that this is required reading today...

    Hat-tip to Rush Limbaugh...




    General Thanksgiving

    By the PRESIDENT of the United States Of America
    A PROCLAMATION

    WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANKSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

    NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;-- for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;-- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;-- and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

    And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions;-- to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

    GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.

    (signed) G. Washington

    Source: The Massachusetts Centinel, Wednesday, October 14, 1789
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    Ya know, I've never heard of that. I did go to public school and got pretty good grades, but my kids are going to be home schooled.
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    I say that we send this as a reminder of what the gubment is supposed to be!

    to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed;
    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

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    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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    Historical revisionists at work again. Rewrite history and you can convince people to do anything.
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    Before anyone draws too many and too incorrect inferences from that alleged proclamation, I strongly urge you to see if your library can get you a copy of a book with the title, " Letters of George Washington." (I might have the title slightly wrong so you will need to look at variations on the title theme.)

    You will find that George was a remarkably enlightened progressive man, who referred to himself and his views as "liberal." You will find a marvelous thread of tolerance for all and a wisdom completely lacking in most who followed him.

    Sadly, the last time I looked for this book, someone had stolen it from the A&M Library.

    You can learn a lot about someone by reading their personal letters to others. It is a window into their mind. Whereas a public proclamation might be none other than a vote getting play- to- the- audience pitch.

    GW was not only the first prez, but probably the singularly most competent of the bunch.

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    The term "liberal" has been hijacked by the socialists/progressives.

    The term liberal definitely does not have the same connotation today that it had 240 years ago.
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    No doubt about it...we have come a long, long way since then and I cant say that it's all good.

    Now, the mere mention of the fact is usually enough to get some of the Libs to scream bloody murder and those that believe only in themselves to cry foul because they see that proclamation as "religion".

    I'll be quite surprised if we don't soon have a complaint by one of our more "enlightened" ones wanting to shut this thread down.

    Today is Thanksgiving.
    Lets not forget the reason for it.
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    Heard that and posted it several places too. I overheard my mom asking my daughter what Thanksgiving was about. My daughter is 8 and in 3rd grade. She thought for a second and said, " The pilgrims wanted liberty and freedom, and wanted to worship God, and wanted to give thanks to God." Maybe there is hope for our schools, at least the small town ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    No doubt about it...we have come a long, long way since then and I cant say that it's all good.

    Now, the mere mention of the fact is usually enough to get some of the Libs to scream bloody murder and those that believe only in themselves to cry foul because they see that proclamation as "religion".

    I'll be quite surprised if we don't soon have a complaint by one of our more "enlightened" ones wanting to shut this thread down.

    Today is Thanksgiving.
    Lets not forget the reason for it.
    While the proclamation has a defiantly "religious" tone to it, I actually don't think it would make most of todays "religious conservatives" happy. If you read carefully it's very religiously neutral, neither making or alluding to any specific religion, and omitting almost none.

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    Another person who never learned this in school was the President, who announced that Abraham Lincoln enacted Thanksgiving Day as a holiday.

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    Irregular proclamations of Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by SamRudolph View Post
    Another person who never learned this in school was the President, who announced that Abraham Lincoln enacted Thanksgiving Day as a holiday.
    From Wiki, fwiw: |"George Washington again proclaimed a Thanksgiving in 1795. President John Adams declared Thanksgivings in 1798 and 1799. No Thanksgiving proclamations were issued by Thomas Jefferson but James Madison renewed the tradition in 1814, in response to resolutions of Congress, at the close of the War of 1812. Madison also declared the holiday twice in 1815; however, none of these were celebrated in autumn. In 1816, Governor Plamer of New Hampshire appointed Thursday, November 14 to be observed as a day of Public Thanksgiving and Governor Brooks of Massachusetts appointed Thursday, November 28 to be "observed throughout that State as a day of Thanksgiving."[7]

    It appears this was not a regularized holiday until Lincoln's time--perhaps later. Note that Jefferson did not issue any such proclamation
    and Adams did so only in 2 years of his term. Madison, also only twice.

    "In the middle of the American Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln, prompted by a series of editorials written by Sarah Josepha Hale,[8] proclaimed a national Thanksgiving Day, to be celebrated on the final Thursday in November 1863:"

    "Abraham Lincoln's successors as president followed his example of annually declaring the final Thursday in November to be Thanksgiving."

    Thus, there was no regularized Thanksgiving holiday until Lincoln's time and after, although there were sporadic proclamations from time to time earlier on.

    Now, more interesting to me, how if at all, did earlier generations of Americans celebrate this holiday? You all figure they bought canned pumpkin, frozen turkey, and flew on jet planes to Grandma's house?

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    This year's proclamation concluded: "I encourage all the people of the United States to come together, whether in our homes, places of worship, community centers, or any place where family, friends and neighbors may gather, with gratitude for all we have received in the past year, to express appreciation to those whose lives enrich our own and to share our bounty with others."

    No mention of God whatsoever, except in a brief quote of Washington's proclamation (which you can't hardly quote without finding a mention of God).

    As far as I could find, this is the first Presidential Thanksgiving proclamation to omit a call to the nation to thank God. That's a substantial shift -- and not in a good direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamakennedy View Post
    Ya know, I've never heard of that. I did go to public school and got pretty good grades, but my kids are going to be home schooled.

    How you going to handle them developing social interaction skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backnblack View Post
    How you going to handle them developing social interaction skills?
    That is an old, tired, debate. School is not the only way for kids to interact with others. Do you only interact with other people at work?

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    I always find it interesting that people who profess to distrust the government so much, also want it to be the official voice of their religion . . .
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