This is a discussion on Illegals Protest within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Just to stir up more discussion this was straight off of YahooNews. I wonder what side the author supports??????
Immigrants Demonstrate Economic Clout
By DAVE ...
May 1st, 2006 09:03 PM
Just to stir up more discussion this was straight off of YahooNews. I wonder what side the author supports??????
Immigrants Demonstrate Economic Clout
By DAVE CARPENTER, AP Business Writer Mon May 1, 4:32 PM ET
Illegal immigrants made their point Monday: Without them, Americans would pay higher prices and a lot of work wouldn't get done.
As nationwide demonstrations thinned the work force in businesses from meat-packing plants to construction sites to behind the counter at McDonald's, economists said there can be no dispute within the context of the contentious immigration issue that the group wields significant clout in the U.S. economy.
"If illegal immigration came to a standstill, it would disrupt the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "It would lead to higher prices for many goods and services, and some things literally would not get done. It would be a major adjustment for our economy, for sure."
Another economist, Diane Swonk, said it would be an economic mistake to restrict entry and work rights when revising immigration policy.
"Given the obvious hardship of having illegal aliens flooding in, we also know they are critical to the functioning of the U.S. economy," said Swonk, chief economist at Chicago-based Mesirow Financial. "To be turning our backs on people who want to work is kind of silly in an environment where you've got tight labor markets and we're getting older and need younger people to work."
While the full impact of the one-day Day Without Immigrants boycott was hard to immediately gauge, it was palpable in some industries with a heavily Hispanic work force. On-the-job turnout was dramatically lower at some locales in the meat-packing, masonry, restaurant and landscaping businesses, and numerous firms closed for the day.
Mike Collins, who owns 500 acres of Vidalia onions in southeastern Georgia, was forced to shut down his packing shed and postpone his harvest when none of his 175 seasonal workers showed up.
"We need to be going wide-open this time of year to get these onions out of the field and we have nobody working today," he said. "Losing a day in this part of the season causes a tremendous amount of problems."
Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat producer, shut five of nine beef plants and four of six pork plants in anticipation of widespread absences. Perdue Farms Inc., the nation's third-largest chicken producer, closed eight processing plants in seven states. Cargill Meat Solutions, the nation's second-largest beef processor, gave more than 15,000 workers the day off and closed plants in six states.
Gold Kist, another poultry producer, shuttered two North Carolina plants and operated its two Georgia facilities at reduced productivity after many employees failed to heed requests by the company's managers and CEO to show up despite the protests.
"We've tried to be open," said Wayne Lord, a vice president for the Atlanta-based company. "They were urged to come to work today because of our focus on satisfying our customer requirements."
Others publicly supported their employees' cause. Arthur Velasquez, founder and chief economic officer of Azteca Foods in Chicago, said he was "extremely proud" of his workers and noted that illegal immigrants keeps alive companies that need seasonal employees.
"It's a seasonal situation, so people need workers right then and there," he said. "And either that or they don't survive."
Many companies rediscovered what they already knew: They can't operate effectively without the extra help.
Work sites operated in the Washington, D.C., area by Beltsville, Md.-based Manganaro MidAtlantic, a concrete and masonry company where immigrants comprise up to 75 percent of the work force, were quiet Monday. John Livingston, a business developer for Manganaro, said his firm has not been able to fill its staffing needs without immigrants for more than a decade.
Low attendance also was the story at hotels in Indianapolis, construction sites in Miami and plant nurseries and landscapers across a wide area.
McDonald's Corp. said some of its employees participated in the rallies, prompting it to operate an unspecified number of its nearly 14,000 restaurants with limited crews, shortened hours or drive-thru service only. The Oak Brook, Ill.-based company did not provide further specifics but released a statement saying it strongly supports U.S. immigration reform.
Carl Tannenbaum, chief economist at LaSalle Bank in Chicago, said the boycott underscores that immigration is not only political issue but a big economic one, too.
"The American economy really relies to a large extent on a growing labor force," he said. "There's a certain replenishment to the labor force that immigrants provide, and I think we have to be careful about taking steps that would hinder that process."
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May 1st, 2006 09:03 PM
May 1st, 2006 09:10 PM
saw a thing on line today that asked if you were effected by it i sat and thought nope didnt go to walmart today
May 1st, 2006 09:12 PM
No brownie points for guessing this author's allegiances
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May 1st, 2006 09:21 PM
Make sure you get full value out of today , Do something worthwhile, because what you do today will cost you one day off the rest of your life .
We only begin to understand folks after we stop and think .
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May 1st, 2006 09:27 PM
fire em, hire locals. Illegals should fix their own country and protest there if they are so politically motivated.
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson
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May 1st, 2006 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by rocky
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May 1st, 2006 09:44 PM
Good intel for INS
I would want to examine the I-9s of every employee absent from every employer......then interview the employees and examine their documents.
May 1st, 2006 09:49 PM
If these are legals that caused the plant closings they should be reprimanded. If the closings were caused by illegals, both the illegals and the plant owners should be brought to justice.
The power of the future is in its ability to inspire the present.
May 1st, 2006 09:58 PM
If they think the illegals not being here would affect the economy. What do they think not having to pay taxes to support them would do? My other question is: why are the businesses listed in the article not being fined for hiring undocumented aliens? Obviously the business don't fear being fined any more than the illegals fear being caught. We do NOT need new immigration laws nor procedures. We DO need for our government to enforce the laws that are already in place. It is too bad that the Border Patrol and the Immigration and Naturalization Service are so short handed. It would have been very easy to have rounded up a considerable number of illegals at the rallies today.
I hope that our elected officials are getting the idea that this problem is not going to go away. I also hope that they are realizing that they have a much bigger problem in the fact that the American people are fed up with their do nothing practices. I for one would say that if some corrective measures are put into place during the next three months we should vote everyone who is up for re-election out. Their replacements can't do any worse and maybe they would get the idea that enough is enough.
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May 1st, 2006 10:15 PM
Two viewpoints which are very clearly from opposing sides. Let's look at the overall cost. Do "illegals" contribute more than they take? Doesn't sound like it. They contribute to the lowest cost fields (minimum wage) and take from the highest cost fields (medical, law enforcement, etc).
If "no American" will do a given job, then that's the job that should be outsourced to Mexico (et al) instead of the ones we will do. But I'm fairly sure if the illegal aliens "went away", the plant/farm owners could find some American that wants the work.
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May 1st, 2006 10:42 PM
Well, the "jobs no Americans" will do is hogwash! There was a time when those "jobs" were done by school boys & girls to earn some spending money....never meant to be a means of raising a family! Kept kids off the streets and outta trouble.
Second noteworthy item: This morning on radio station in Dallas area, they were reporting on the traffic and noticed how "unusually light and smooth" it was flowing. Callers made comment how pleasant the drive was to work. Another brought up the point that perhaps there are a crap load more than the estimated 11 Million illegals in the States. Geesh, yeah, send em back so we can have a stressless drive to work !
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May 1st, 2006 11:45 PM
Now this might be controversial BUT what about all the ones that don't work?
Did they also protest? Perhaps sending back any assistance checks that they received?
I'm an American by birth and a Veteran, the only thing the Government sends me is tax forms.
100,000 protest in Chicago - Should have made it easier to round them up and send them back.
It's all about cheap labor and maximum profits. Even the legal ones admitted a few years ago under special laws hurt Americans working in the IT field.
Hey, Here's an idea. Let's "outsource" our politicians.
May 1st, 2006 11:52 PM
Rember all this BS the next time you vote.
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May 2nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by mcclearypl
I always voted since I was of age and always will.
In my opinionion, you have no right to complain about the politicians if you don't exercise your right to vote.
May 2nd, 2006 12:58 AM
INS should have had vans, buses, helicopters, armed men, ready to haul all these people away, and we need a wall, soo bady, wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall, with motion decetors that traps the criminal that tries to cross the border illegally and re-release them back into where they are a legal citizen!
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