May 17th, 2006 10:24 PM
If you want to work in Mexico
I had not seen this and cannot vouch for its veracity tho it is something I presume is pretty accurate.
Apologies if you've seen it and I don't want to start a heated immigration thread - but hey - if there's a contrast to be drawn, this sure does it huh?!
I am thinking - what ever happened to ''fair do's''?
The following is from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
I spent five years working in Mexico.
I worked under a tourist visa for three months and could legally renew it
for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was
technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.
During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a
permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that
I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the
same except hers did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals
(not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4 College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest
record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why
there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were important
to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on earth" letter. It
was fun to write.
All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and
be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced
a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on
Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by
a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government office locations and being
photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location (and
we remember at least four locations) we were instructed on Mexican tax,
labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their
laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's
actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand
dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we
could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in
Laredo Texas. This meant we rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our
goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and
under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing
process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our
headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and
the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and
fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six
dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received
instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a
policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it
against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you
would have to pay ransom to get it back.
We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of
our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for us
and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying
Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving
no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or
liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen went
through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its
citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White House
or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States
Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during
most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men
standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy.
These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public
park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a
protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.
Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on
Chris - P95
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May 18th, 2006 07:52 AM
Wouldn't surprise me Chris if that was almost exactly how it is. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander now is it? Pretty soon people will be protesting to try and get Mexico wrapped in as the 51st state....
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May 18th, 2006 07:59 AM
I've not heard this before but I have heard that Mexicos constitution and laws are very anti-immigrant. Even naturalized citizens can't do certain things, like hold political office, and non-citizens are restricted in where they can live. Not within a certain distance from the water, etc. For all the smack that Fox has been talking about how we treat ILLEGAL immigrants it is rather upsetting.
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May 18th, 2006 08:31 AM
Never saw anything like that before and all I can say is HOLY CRAP!
And yet we......... Awww, never mind.
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May 18th, 2006 10:19 AM
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May 18th, 2006 01:07 PM
Further as a non Mexican citizen you cannot own land, rent or lease yes own NO.
"The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
May 18th, 2006 03:05 PM
Does anyone still think that Mexico was ever the United States's friend?
During WWII, they allowed German agents into their country to conduct covert operations against the United States. The dance might be different now, but the song is the same.
May 18th, 2006 07:35 PM
Never been there, Never want to go there, and wish I never had to deal with any of them. Build a wall and defend it.
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May 19th, 2006 10:33 AM
I go to mexico atleast twice a year. I have many friends(mexican citizens) that live in mexico and two relatives that moved to mexico after retirement. the laws in mexico are rediculus. as americans we are VERY restricted in our actions and privilages. just about everytime I go I get harrased atleast once. As far as I'm conserned we need to lock that border I'll put in a leave of absence from work and put in my 6months at the border if it ment that I can "return" the favor of how we are treated in mexico. I'll even pay for my own fuel and ammo.
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May 19th, 2006 06:59 PM
My Grandfather became a U.S. citizen about 10 yrs. ago and he goes back to Mexico to visit family about 4 times / Yr. and when he returns home he tells us of the Officals he had to bribe and all the coruption (sp?) that goes on there. As for myself I'm not planning any trip soon.
May 19th, 2006 09:29 PM
The hypocrisy of this all just sickens me.
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