February 12th, 2010 03:13 PM
How many of you lift and/or train in unarmed fighting?
Now I'll admit that I am not tactical master, but reading here got me curious how many practice unarmed combat or train to increase their strength.
I trained for a bit with a friend who was a state champ in wrestling through high school, so I feel pretty good about unarmed combat compared to a few years ago. I also powerlift, so even if I am lacking in skill I know I am bigger and stronger than the majority of crack heads roaming the streets. At least I think so being most my weights I used in bench, squat or deadlift are twice my body weight.
There are many people here that carry OC spray, knives and their carry weapon to give themselves options before the final 'pull the trigger' scenario, so how many of you give yourself more options by lifting or training to fight unarmed?
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February 12th, 2010 03:33 PM
Fitness has its place. However, do not believe that you are the equal to some loaded crackhead just because you lift weights and/or are "trained."
That's just plain arrogance.
LEO are "trained" and they "work out." Yet, they STILL try not to handle crackheads by themselves because they know that the crackhead might win in any hand-to-hand. It's hard to stop someone who feels no pain and is nothing but screaming angry and violent. No pain and no rational thought = almost impossible to stop.
If you are often in harms way, you should be fit. But, you should work on your SA more because that's the FIRST TOOL in the toolbox.
February 12th, 2010 04:01 PM
I trained in a variety of martial arts over the years, and taught a couple but family commitments have limited my ability to do that in recent years.
I do exercise (lift, P90X, run, swim, whatever), but I do so for health benefits more than self defense.
The statistical chance of me being attacked is small compared to the statistical chance of me becoming old.
Health is a life style for me; seems silly to prepare for being mugged, robbed in my house, attacked by punks, whatever.. and then die of a heart attack because I was an idiot that didn't exercise, or eat healthy.
February 12th, 2010 04:36 PM
I am well versed in screaming like a girl and running....does that count?
If I gave a crap about what you think about my guns.....it was early this morning and I already flushed it!
February 12th, 2010 05:26 PM
Skill > Strength.
I've wrassled with plenty of meat heads in the Marine Corps. I lift, but I'm not a big guy, I'm not super strong, I'm just in shape. As long as my skill in getting someone on the ground and inflicting pain outweighs theirs, size does not matter. I've seen some real scrawny little guys who can absolutely destroy bigger guys. Now, in a fist fight, power has it's place, but 9/10 times I'm in a fist fight, I'm going to try to get it on the ground and start destroying their joints, especially if they are bigger or stronger than me.
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February 12th, 2010 05:43 PM
Dont care how big you are a wins everytime. Most fights only last 1 minute maybe 2 and then you are spent. Done.
Yes, size does have its place but I have seen a small street kids give a good beating to much bigger guys.
As the saying goes. It not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog.
February 12th, 2010 11:01 PM
Machina asked: "reading here got me curious how many practice unarmed combat or train to increase their strength."
I don't know how many here do this, but I do---and I'm an old man. I do it for the potential benefit of possibly avoiding the need to use a gun; I do it for the fun learning MA skills, and I do it for the moderate to (sometimes) severe workouts
which I hope will keep my aged and diseased body going just a few more (there aren't many left). And I will do it till my doctor says NO!
February 13th, 2010 01:26 AM
I am trained extensively in Krav Maga, the Israeli martial art. Disarming and striking with some grappling. I dont lift weights, strength has nothing to do with skill or technique. I train in Krav Maga because its just another weapon in my tool box for self-defense just like my firearm.
February 13th, 2010 02:07 AM
I currently hold a Brown Belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and have done quite a bit of training in Muay Thai. In my opinion, carrying a gun is pretty irresponsible if it is your only option. A lot of gun guys don't like to hear it, but you do have to be pretty fit, even if the gun is your first option.
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February 13th, 2010 02:34 AM
I've been into pentjak silat for a number of years, its pretty wicked if you can find proper instruction.
I've also found that cardio endurance and hand strength are far more important than your bench press and squat when it comes to self defense applications.
With that said, I do hit the weight room for an hour a day, four days a week. I'm not huge but I'm no twig either.
February 13th, 2010 03:24 AM
Lesson #1. Absolutely.
Originally Posted by Rob P.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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February 13th, 2010 07:46 AM
Originally Posted by tsaphah
Very wise words.........
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February 13th, 2010 07:58 AM
Oh, I do a little. I used to more.
The more unarmed combatives/physical training you do, the more you appreciate the ease of weaponry (esp. as you age)!
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February 13th, 2010 10:59 AM
I agree that hand strength is very important. And for folks in your profession who may need to run and chase a BG, cardio endurance is important.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
I don't see cardio endurance as important for the ordinary civilian, with respect to SD. Ordinary folk's encounters with BGs tend to be brief and violent, a few seconds. No long foot chase involved. No special need to have great cardiac endurance.
I'm too old to run fast, but for younger people I think one of the most important tools besides H2H is an ability to "explode" and get off the X and keep running.
February 13th, 2010 11:06 AM
I do strength training and a bit of old dudes basketball at our local YMCA. Go there a couple nights out of the week, mostly to stay fit. At 53, I'm not in too bad of shape. It also helps out with my drum playing.
I have had martial arts training in past years, mostly Tae Kwon Do, some Aikido, Judo and that sort, but I am not proficient in it. I can use some of what I know, but the combination of martial arts skill and a good Smith & Wesson will do the job just fine push come to shove.
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