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Converting an Airsoft Rifle into a Real Machine Gun?

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    They do not investigate air guns. It is not their job
    Exactly.

    Reckon there is more to the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Exactly.

    Reckon there is more to the story?
    Probably.
    This could be very good or very bad for Airsoft, Grossman and Daisy. As you know, some of these air guns are not toys. I would not want to see them regulated but bad press and commentary could lead to this.

    Since air guns are not considered to be firearms any investigation of receivers would most likely first go to FTC, not ATF.
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    or look at it this way; they are real M16 receivers fitted with airsoft components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    or look at it this way; they are real M16 receivers fitted with airsoft components.
    This is what I been getting at all along,If the lower receiver is an M16 replica with all the holes drilled in the right places,with airsoft parts installed,all you have to do is replace the airsoft parts with an M16 fire control group and attach a real upper receiver with M16 bolt and you got a full auto gun,and if they cam make AR15 lowers and uppers out of polymers they can do the same thing and make it full auto.they aren't saying you can fire a 223 round thru an airsoft barrel.
    As far as making home made guns out of pipes,that is regulated by the ATF also,unless you have a manufacturers license IIRC you can't make a legal gun
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    You can make any non NFA gun for yourself. Selling it is another matter all together.

    For a very long time it has been somewhat popular to roll your own AK recievers to build up from parts kits. Since the reciever in most firearms is the serialized part, then if these are capable of being used effectively then that is an issue.

    Hell, there is a website on how to make a wooden AR reciever as well, so all things considered it doesn't take all that much to make something work if it fits.

    Pipe or zip guns would be legal if the barrels and total lengths equal the minimum requirements.

    I thought full auto sears were the registered parts on full auto ARs. or is that just for the drop in conversion kits?

    Also for the record, any governmental agency that is allowed to pretty much make up whatever rules they see fit, commit secret testing to see if you break laws, and all the other crap that they pull, isn't really worth their salt.
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    Ok, so you can import a toy, and go through an elaborate system to make it into a gun, or buy a stolen gun on the street. Someone with an MBA in Bidnez want to work the spreadsheet on this one for me?
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    Sure.

    You can import hundreds of M-16 fully auto receivers camouflaged as AirSoft rifles. There is no paper work, import tax, no registration of serial numbers, no paper trail whatsoever, no oversight of any kind.

    Then you gut them, chunk everything but the recievers and make them into high dollar firearms.

    It aint hard to figure.

    Well, maybe for some it is hard to grasp,apparently people think that the ATF cares about airsoft guns and thats all there is to it.

    I just wonder how long it took for them to catch on.
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    IIRC according to the ATF if you own an AR15 rifle and have M16 parts even though they aren't installed you in their eyes possess a machinegun
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    call me crazy but I think it would be easier for criminals to smuggle in the real deal.

    I just can't get why someone would spend so much time buying an airsoft gun to strip it down a build a machine gun from scratch. It takes a very skilled armorer to assemble and properly time an M16.

    The big stink was...

    The ATF also determined that the shipment did not arrive with the proper permits to enter the United States. The guns will be destroyed.
    if the proper paperwork was done and tax was paid then the shipment would have most likely proceeded.
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    BATFE after Airsoft now...

    Nice...Now the ATF is in the AIRSOFT biz too...

    Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland
    Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
    ATF Says Toy Guns Could Be Made Into Real Guns

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    UPDATED: 7:16 am PST March 2, 2010

    CORNELIUS, Ore. -- The owner of an airsoft gun store in Oregon said he's outraged after federal agents seized his shipment of 30 airsoft rifles.

    Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms found the airsoft guns' internal components could be replaced with real machine gun parts in a short amount of time, allowing them to fire live ammunition.

    But Ben Martin, who owns Airsoft Outlet Northwest, disputes the ATF's finding. He said the guns, which are designed to shoot plastic BBs, are clearly not sturdy enough to withstand firing a real bullet.

    "It's completely ridiculous that they think they could make these shoot real rounds," Martin said.

    Martin's store in Cornelius stocks many types of makes and models, but the model made by a manufacturer in Taiwan raised red flags with U.S. customs officials in Tacoma last fall because the airsoft guns closely resembled the function and feel of real guns.

    Officials said the guns lacked the required orange tips for imported toy guns.

    The ATF considers the seized toys to be machine guns and plans to destroy them -- a move that could come at a cost for Martin's business.

    "That's about $12,000 down the hole," Martin said.

    Martin said he has had other shipments seized by customs and border protection officials in the past. Often times, he said, he does not receive an explanation and he said the process is arbitrary.

    In addition to firing small plastic BBs, some models of airsoft guns use compressed gas for propellant.

    Similar to paintball, airsoft shooters fire the guns at each other in competitions. But airsoft guns are much more realistic in feel and function.

    Martin admits it can be difficult to differentiate between an airsoft rifle and a real M4 assault rifle used by the U.S. Military.

    "If you put it in someone else's hands who is not familiar with guns, they would probably have a hard time telling the difference," Martin said.

    But Martin said the realistic look of the guns adds to the sport of airsoft's appeal.
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    It seems only fair that the agent who made this decision demonstrate how lethal these machine guns can be once they have been converted.

    He/she should be required to fire a magazine or 2 in a 'live fire' demonstration. If the agent does not require hospitalization afterward they may have a point.

    Just how stupid do you have to be to buy into this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdcard View Post
    Just how stupid do you have to be to buy into this?
    You need to be ignorant as how how firearms work, ignore the laws as they were written or intended, and operate without oversight.

    Seriously, the BATF is completely off their rocker on this--and they are convincing that this is possible.

    Banning/regulating Airsoft is the next step...they (BATF) are grooming the public for this...
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    This has got to be a crank....
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    If you take a toy hammer, replace the head and handle with real hammer parts YOU CAN DRIVE REAL NAILS...

    I notion that hench forth we ban all toy hammers.
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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