"Grain" Explanation

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    "Grain" Explanation

    I keep seeing posts similar to:
    "What do y'all think is the best grain hollow point for SD in .380?"

    I suggest that a "sticky" needs to be posted somewhere, and maybe in more than one place, to explain the word "grain" as it relates to both bullets and powder charges. Proper usage of the term should also be explained.

    If you don't want to do it, I'd be happy to. Just tell me where you'd like it (them) posted, and how to make it (them) "sticky."
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    While that information would fit best in the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forum, I'm not sure that it rises to the level of a sticky. We try to keep the stickies to a minimum and release them as we add others....
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    1 grain = 0.064 798 91 gram
    1 gram = 0.035 273 961 95 ounce
    1 grain = 0.002 285 714 285 7 ounce

    A 147gr 9mm bullet weighs .336 ounce. A 115gr 9mm bullet weighs
    0.262 857 142 86 ounce.
    "What do y'all think is the best grain weight hollow point for SD in .380?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    1 grain = 0.064 798 91 gram
    1 gram = 0.035 273 961 95 ounce
    1 grain = 0.002 285 714 285 7 ounce
    Given that grains are so tiny, I think it's easier to think of these if you flip the comparison around.

    1 gram = 15.4323584 grains
    1 ounce = 437.5 grains

    Google calculator can convert to/from grains.

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    OK, but the issue is usage, more than definition.
    The quote was: "What do y'all think is the best grain hollow point for SD in .380?"
    The question should have been: ""What do y'all think is the best weight hollow point for SD in .380?" (Or "grain-weight," maybe.)
    Just because the box of cartridges calls out the bullet as, for instance, "95 grains," the untutored person's question uses the word "grain" where the word "weight" should be. That person needs to be shown that "grain" is a form of weight measure, and not a stand-alone determinate.
    That's what I want to make into a sticky, or learning tool, or something.
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    those numbers are hard... there are 7000 grains in 1 pound. Thats the only one I remember, the rest can be figured as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911A1 View Post
    OK, but the issue is usage, more than definition.
    The quote was: "What do y'all think is the best grain hollow point for SD in .380?"
    The question should have been: ""What do y'all think is the best weight hollow point for SD in .380?" (Or "grain-weight," maybe.)
    Just because the box of cartridges calls out the bullet as, for instance, "95 grains," the untutored person's question uses the word "grain" where the word "weight" should be. That person needs to be shown that "grain" is a form of weight measure, and not a stand-alone determinate.
    That's what I want to make into a sticky, or learning tool, or something.
    I have seen the posts you described and did not really think to much about the ackward use of the term grain. Now, I get what you are saying; sort of like some people think "grain" is some all powerful mysterious factor in evaluating bullet effectiveness.
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    You mean it has nothing to do with drinking moonshine while shooting and/or reloading????

    Wow, I was really confused!
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    It's a given, grains in relation to ammo can only mean weight. Look at shotgun shells, ounces and drams.

    I'd never ask my butcher for "two pounds weight" ribeye steak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcake View Post
    those numbers are hard... there are 7000 grains in 1 pound. Thats the only one I remember, the rest can be figured as needed.

    LOL......that's the only one I remember too!

    My trusty calculator takes care of the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqgrill View Post
    I have seen the posts you described and did not really think to much about the ackward use of the term grain. Now, I get what you are saying; sort of like some people think "grain" is some all powerful mysterious factor in evaluating bullet effectiveness.
    Yes, exactly.
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    Anyone know where I can get 7000 grain .45 ACP?
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    Waaayyy back in the good ole days I used to think of a grain as some of those flakes/kernels of powder I had seen in shotgun shells.
    Later I learned that a grain is a unit of weight same as ounce, pound, kilogram or ton.

    And if that is not confusing enough how about carat?? (not the Bugs Bunny kind).

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