Prince William County police get it right (OC)

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    Prince William County police get it right (OC)

    from a VA-ALERT.

    VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.

    [First person singular pronouns (I, my, mine, etc) and “PVC” reference Philip Van Cleave, President VCDL]

    VCDL member Bob James emailed me about his positive open carry
    experience in Prince William County.


    >>
    So there I was . . .

    Wednesday night, 10 March 2010, about 2130, I stopped at a Burger King
    at Nokesville Road (Rte 28) and Pennsylvania Avenue in Prince William
    County. I was open carrying, as is my wont. I have entered Burger
    Kings and other fast food joints countless times all over the Northern
    Virginia area without incident. Tonight was different, dear readers,
    but not unpleasantly so.

    The bored but affable young lady at the counter took my order, no
    problem. But the manager, a flinty-eyed woman with a sour expression
    on her face, was surveying me with ill-concealed hostility. She spoke
    as I retrieved my order and asked with some beligerence: "Let me ask
    you a question. Are you a police officer?"

    I smiled, and answered "No, ma'am, I am not." I paused for the
    anticipated follow-up question, but none was forthcoming; the
    manager's expression just got darker, so I said nothing more and sat
    down to eat.

    Five minutes later, I saw the PWCP car roll up, headlights off, and
    two officers enter the store. Here's the kicker. They never looked
    askance at me, never asked me my name or business or why I thought I
    needed a gun, or any of that nonsense. They didn't disarm me, prone me
    out on the floor, or call me nasty names. Instead, both officers went
    straight to the manager, who had once again returned to the front
    counter to beckon them.

    I could hear the manager hissing about the man with a gun, and one
    officer asking, "Did he threaten anyone? Was he waving it around?"
    Finally, he explained that my behavior was perfectly legal in
    Virginia. Neither officer contacted me, or even so much as walked
    around the tile barrier to see whether or what I was carrying. End of
    story.

    As it should be. [PVC: AMEN.]

    Kudos to the Prince William County Police officers who handled this
    call with consummate professionalism and class.

    Bob James
    Centreville
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    DaveH: Amen and AMEN!

    Well another NOVA county gets it right.

    BTW: in an earlier thread about off-base-housing around Quantico, I had said that Prince William had a rep as being fair re: RKBA. Glad to see that the impression is holding up.
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    Now that's refreshing!
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    I don't live very far from there.

    Sounds like the PW folks are a class act!

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    Kudos to the police; to the manager, not so much. One wonders if Bob James will ever enter that BK again. I wouldn't (even if I were a fast-food eater).

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    Kudos to the LEOs from me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Kudos to the police; to the manager, not so much. One wonders if Bob James will ever enter that BK again. I wouldn't (even if I were a fast-food eater).
    I'd be writing a letter to corporate if it happened to me, explaining the laws (with references to the specific statutes) allowing me to carry. Law abiding citizens don't need the police called on them for doing nothing wrong. That's a waste of taxpayer's money and ties up officers that might be needed to respond to a real emergency. Sounds like that manager needs a lesson in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty82 View Post
    Kudos to the LEOs from me too.



    I'd be writing a letter to corporate if it happened to me, explaining the laws (with references to the specific statutes) allowing me to carry. Law abiding citizens don't need the police called on them for doing nothing wrong. That's a waste of taxpayer's money and ties up officers that might be needed to respond to a real emergency. Sounds like that manager needs a lesson in the law.

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    I think it depends on where you are in PW County. If the PWPD receive a call in Woodbridge, the outcome could have been much different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Kudos to the police; to the manager, not so much. One wonders if Bob James will ever enter that BK again. I wouldn't (even if I were a fast-food eater).
    I see your point but I might be inclined to return for another Whopper. I would also encourage others to do the same while OC. It would be good for the manager to see citizens going about their life in a state of freedom and happyness.

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    Whoo Hoo!!
    Police officers that know the law and inform the ignorant, bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    I think it depends on where you are in PW County. If the PWPD receive a call in Woodbridge, the outcome could have been much different.
    Why would PWPD policy be different in one part of the county compared to any other?
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