Cal. legislature moving to shut down open carry
This is a discussion on Cal. legislature moving to shut down open carry within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by DarylW
In fact, I'd be willing to make a great trade to Kalifornia. We could offer two or three liberals for each ...
April 26th, 2010 02:02 AM
I know of a few around me that I can donate to the cause.
Originally Posted by DarylW
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws... serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man - Cesare Beccaria
April 26th, 2010 04:28 PM
Tongue in cheek and I like it.
Originally Posted by maddyfish
Unfortunately we've already TRIED this and were shot down. California does not have a right to keep & bears arms in its constitution. EP claims were dismissed. Other cases and claims were made and were appealed. On appeal the courts sided with firearms owners. Then the court decided to sit en banc on the same issue where it promptly ruled that until McDonald is determined the appeal is suspended.
So, there are no rights or equal protection in Ca. When we prevail in court and on appeal the court immediately intercedes & suspends those rulings on it's own determination.
Something is terribly wrong here both in the courts and in the legislature. We've tried to oust the legislature but haven't had much luck yet. Maybe this year. As for the courts, our ONLY hope is that the liberal justices retire soon because McDonald comes down in our favor with a CLEAR decision without waffle words.
April 28th, 2010 04:03 PM
COMPLETE BILL HISTORY
BILL NUMBER : A.B. No. 1934
AUTHOR : Saldana
TOPIC : Firearms.
TYPE OF BILL :
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Apr. 27 From committee: Amend, do pass as amended, and re-refer to Com. on
APPR. (Ayes 5. Noes 2.) (April 20).
Apr. 7 Re-referred to Com. on PUB. S.
Apr. 6 From committee chair, with author's amendments: Amend, and re-refer
to Com. on PUB. S. Read second time and amended.
Apr. 5 Referred to Com. on PUB. S.
Feb. 18 From printer. May be heard in committee March 20.
Feb. 17 Read first time. To print.
"Most people respect the badge. Everybody respects the gun."
April 28th, 2010 04:48 PM
It's amazing that something can even be discussed as a proposal for law when it so blatantly butts up against the 2A of the US Constitution as well as Article I, Section 1 of the California state Constitution. Not that political types have any concern about that, since there are zero ramifications for them personally if they destroy the constitutions by their actions.
The bill cleared its first committee after an emotional debate that pitted public safety concerns against Second Amendment rights cited by gun owners.
The California Constitution states the citizens have a right to "defending life and liberty ... and protecting property..."
But what these absolutist prohibitions do is one thing: take away the single most effective means of defending against violent criminal attack.
Yes it does. The prohibition, obviously.
"I think it puts all of us at such great risk," said Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, one of four Democrats who voted for the ban.
As felons are already engaging in the illegal carrying of arms when they do so, the ONLY practical result of such a ban is to take firearms from upstanding citizens. And these idiots in the legislature will never understand that. Scary.
Her wearing of a vest only emphasizes the depth of her irrational fears.
The bill's author, Assemblywoman Lori Saldana, D-San Diego, said unloaded guns pose a threat, in part because gun owners are allowed to carry ammunition and could load their weapon within seconds.
To emphasize her point, she wore a bulletproof vest while testifying before the committee.
No citizen can tell whether another is armed, or armed with a loaded gun. It's part of what helps keep society safer, that question in the minds of people who would dare contemplate attacking others. Problem is, if you continue to move toward disarmament of all upstanding citizens, you strongly reduce the likelihood that a criminal will experience any resistance if attempting attack on an upstanding citizen. This puts lives at risk, because it helps take away the threat of being stopped during commission of their crimes.
Law enforcement also can't tell whether a gun is unloaded when approaching a person, said Lt. Wayne Bilowit, legislative advocate for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
I wonder ...
1. In California, how many law enforcement officers get fired upon in this situation described above, when approaching someone and not knowing if they've got a loaded firearm?
2. In California, how many people get violently attacked by robbers and murderers because felons already ignore every law in existence regarding their illegal carry of weapons?
3. In California, how many people are going to be denied the ability to carry firearms as a means for defense because of this sweeping prohibition?
Amazing. These temporary politicians are saying that the "inalienable right" to effectively defend life ceases to exist outside the California home ... unless you beg permission, that is. In all counties in the state, a person must go groveling to the Sheriff to beg for permission to have the effective means to defend himself and his family, a begging process in which a claim of "defending life" is not considered sufficient cause to grant permission.
April 28th, 2010 07:49 PM
Look at Washington, D.C.
Federal bills would repeal D.C. gun laws - Washington Times
Looks like D.C. is doing something about their situation...wonder if California will follow suit.
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