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    Hi, guys. I'm new to this part of the forum. I'm struggling with open carry in general. In this stage of our fight for our rights and freedom does open carry and demonstrations turn people off to our cause. I don't know how you would demonstrate with concealed carry unless everyone concealed carry and then carried a sign saying 'I'm carry a concealed weapon." I'm in one of the oppressed states, Illinois, so I'm trying to understand this issue. Is there a belief that we should/can all walk around with OC?
    Please help a rookie understand?

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    Without getting into a forum rules violation, the answer is absolutely YES/NO/MAYBE. People have different reactions to seeing someone exercise their right to bear arms.
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    The carrying of a weapon should not be for the purposes of demonstrating or making a statement. OC and CC is a hot bed topic in this place. I personally never OC, and prefer not to be noticed. On the other hand, there are people who OC because either they are not allowed to CC, or think they are advancing the cause of gun ownership by walking around in public placing carrying a weapon openly or both. I prefer the discreet approach and element of suprise. Which ever you choose, you will do more for gun ownership by conducting yourself in a manner that people respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsunsr View Post
    Hi, guys. I'm new to this part of the forum. I'm struggling with open carry in general. In this stage of our fight for our rights and freedom does open carry and demonstrations turn people off to our cause. I don't know how you would demonstrate with concealed carry unless everyone concealed carry and then carried a sign saying 'I'm carry a concealed weapon." I'm in one of the oppressed states, Illinois, so I'm trying to understand this issue. Is there a belief that we should/can all walk around with OC?
    Please help a rookie understand?
    YouTube - ABC Nightline - Open Carry Goes Mainstream

    Check that video out... it certainly clears up a lot about OC and why people do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnK87 View Post
    Without getting into a forum rules violation, the answer is absolutely YES/NO/MAYBE. People have different reactions to seeing someone exercise their right to bear arms.
    ditto

    OP, you might want to check out:

    OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!

    Other than saying that I'm staying out of this thread -- see the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsunsr View Post
    Hi, guys. I'm new to this part of the forum. I'm struggling with open carry in general. In this stage of our fight for our rights and freedom does open carry and demonstrations turn people off to our cause. I don't know how you would demonstrate with concealed carry unless everyone concealed carry and then carried a sign saying 'I'm carry a concealed weapon." I'm in one of the oppressed states, Illinois, so I'm trying to understand this issue. Is there a belief that we should/can all walk around with OC?
    Please help a rookie understand?
    Does open carry turn people off to our cause? What is our cause anyway? The constitution? If it turns people off that we carry openly, then they are not familiar with the constitution nor are they in tune with the principles this nation was born with. Those who would take offense to you carrying a weapon openly have in essence abandoned or forgotten where we are and what we've been through to become a nation of our own to start with. Does open carry hurt our cause for re-educating mainstream America to what it was and what it should be? No. Open carry opens the eyes of the complacent and those unwilling to accept the facts of who they are and where they come from so long as they feel their inherent association to America in general. IMO....any United States citizen that takes a stand against the 2nd amendment is in effect subject to treason against our nation as a whole (that's the way I see it and it's plain and simple, in black and white by our peers since our country was born out of subjugation). You stand on your principles, or you're subject to the principles of others. Does what other people think about you affect your principles? If it does, then in my opinion.....you have no anchor. Anyone without an anchor is afloat at sea with no direction and in effect is lost. Keep an even keel.

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    I've heard stories where people have increased the education of the general public when someone sees OC and asks about it, and someone calmly explains that it is legal, and gives people information about where they can learn more.

    But everyone reacts differently, and I've heard about equal complaints that people feel the need to voice their negative opinion about someone else's decision to OC.

    I'm a neighbor to the north, and OC is the only option here in WI, and even then one must go to unreasonable lengths to carry a small portion of the time outside the home. States that allow both, allow adults to make the personal decision about how they choose to address the responsibility to defend themselves, I'd like to see the day when the country reached that point.

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    My reason for OC is that sometimes during the summer I do get a little warm under a cover garment, and i like to be able to remove the cover garment without getting a brandishing charge. To me, OC is not about putting an agenda out there, it is just simply another convenient way to protect myself and my family without worrying about being charged with a crime in doing so
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    OC is the Right to bear arms...the courts have ruled they can prohibit CC but not restrict OC
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    The oppression of the state you live in has your view of the issue a bit skewed. Generally, OC is seen as the direct extension of the right to keep and BEAR arms. Some states go all out and include OC and CC as protected rights. Which, in reality is likely the best reading of the 2A. Other states recognize that OC, at least, is a protected right. The push for CC laws came about, in part, because at one time OC was accepted and CC was for the BG's. How times change. In NC this sums up the take on OC from the State Supreme Court in State v Kerner.


    "The Constitution of this state, section 24, art. 1, which is entitled, "Declaration of Rights," provides, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," adding, "nothing herein contained shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons or prevent the Legislature from enacting penal statutes against said practice." This exception indicates the extent to which the right of the people to bear arms can be restricted; that is, the Legislature can prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons but no further. This constitutional guaranty was construed in State v. Speller, 86 N.C. 697, in which it was held that the distinction was between the "right to keep and bear arms" and the "practice of carrying concealed weapons." The former is a sacred right based upon the experience of the ages in order that the people may be accustomed to bear arms and ready to use them for the protection of their liberties or their country when occasion serves. The provision against carrying them concealed was to prevent assassinations or advantages taken by the lawless; i.e., against the abuse of the privilege."

    So, in NC at least, OC is the protected inalienable right and CC is the legislated privilege. The funny thing about rights is that people can be turned off all they want, but a right is protected by enumerating it to keep people from stepping all over it without some serious legislative issues. Like opening up the Constitution or Supreme Court action. So, no I don't particularly worry about turning people off to the cause. But I will gladly take the time to talk to someone who is interested in it. FWIW, I have had no negative experiences with the general public while OC'ing. The one negative was with an Asst Mgr, and that got taken care of in favor of OC being lawful.
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    Does open carry turn people off to our cause?
    I'm sure it turns some people away. Just as when people see someone exercising their rights of free speech when its speech they don't like.

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    It may be treading the "line of the forum law", but I'll say this:

    Occasionally, I OC to demonstrate to others that they will survive the experience of seeing a loaded firearm on someone's side that isn't an LEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    ditto

    OP, you might want to check out:

    OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!

    Other than saying that I'm staying out of this thread -- see the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    My reason for OC is that sometimes during the summer I do get a little warm under a cover garment, and i like to be able to remove the cover garment without getting a brandishing charge. To me, OC is not about putting an agenda out there, it is just simply another convenient way to protect myself and my family without worrying about being charged with a crime in doing so
    That works for me.....just another method of carry that gives a little more flexability in how you can dress.
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