Small LEO OC Encounter

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    It looks like something is attracting leo's to you, try to figure out what that is, and you'll likely avoid BS stops and unpleasant officers.
    The post of the day!


    I’ll try my best not to provide the ‘law enforcement officers’ an excuse to stop me. I don’t speed, follow the traffic rules, and my vehicles are kept in good condition. I’ve been pulled over once in MN due not having a front plate in my CA registered sports car two weeks after moving to MN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    It looks like something is attracting leo's to you, try to figure out what that is, and you'll likely avoid BS stops and unpleasant officers.
    Good point. The sheriff, here, has said that a series of "indicators" within a short period of time is one of the things he looks for when considering possible revocation of the CHL from a person. One of those indicators is the number of contacts with police, and the reason for them.
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    First off, this was my 3rd traffic stop in 6 weeks, all 3 were BS and all 3 officers were unpleasant to deal with...
    Reminds me of the woman standing on the corner watching the parade who says "Oh, look! Everyone's out of step except my Johnny!"

    Yeah on the first of my last 3 traffic stops the officer said "I don't know what s*** you think you know" in response to me schooling him on how RADAR and LIDAR works...
    Guaranteed to elicit an unfavorable response from an officer. You DON'T tell him how to do his job during a stop.

    I've been driving for 5 years, first time I was pulled over was 3 years after I got my license, then once again about 8 months later, both of those officers were professional and courteous, these last 3 stops, not so much.
    What changed about your driving habits to bring this about?

    This may be an incorrect assessment, but you sound like a young fellow who just turned 21 and is full of himself.

    You need to mature and lose the chip on your shoulder - and pay attention to the things that are getting you pulled over. Personally, 20 mph through a gravel rest area is too fast; I'd stop you, too. I don't really see anything wrong with what the officer did or said.
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    Wow. So many issues to address. Oh well, we were all young once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    Guaranteed to elicit an unfavorable response from an officer. You DON'T tell him how to do his job during a stop.
    I do when he is wrong about my speed by 12MPH and blatently lies to me about how he obtained it. My GPS records prove my speed. He knew I called his bluff, why else would he not give me a ticket for supposedly going 16MPH over the limit?

    What changed about your driving habits to bring this about?
    Nothing.

    This may be an incorrect assessment, but you sound like a young fellow who just turned 21 and is full of himself.
    I know a thing or two about a thing or two...
    You need to mature and lose the chip on your shoulder - and pay attention to the things that are getting you pulled over. Personally, 20 mph through a gravel rest area is too fast; I'd stop you, too. I don't really see anything wrong with what the officer did or said.
    Like I said, I may have been doing 20MPH, I don't really remember, but it certainly wasn't exessive, like I said, I think he confused my truck with a friends Tahoe that had come in the parking lot much faster and slid in the gravel.

    I'm polite and courteous to police and get treated like crap, what else do you want from me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN2Go View Post
    Did you or I miss something?

    You okay with a cop telling you “I’ll shoot you!?”
    Do you REALLY think he intended to kill anyone? It may have been a stupid, flippant, off the cuff remark he should not have made, but I would not take it as a threat.

    You of course are free to take it anyway you want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunBass View Post
    Do you REALLY think he intended to kill anyone? It may have been a stupid, flippant, off the cuff remark he should not have made, but I would not take it as a threat.

    You of course are free to take it anyway you want to.
    Imagine if the comment came from the driver, not the cop. What would that outcome have been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunBass View Post
    Do you REALLY think he intended to kill anyone? It may have been a stupid, flippant, off the cuff remark he should not have made, but I would not take it as a threat.

    You of course are free to take it anyway you want to.
    That is a terroristic threat by definition, you of course are free to take it it anyway you want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnsXD View Post
    I know a thing or two about a thing or two...
    I think you just proved my assertion.

    I'm polite and courteous to police and get treated like crap, what else do you want from me?
    You tell me - something's going on if you are continually getting "picked on."
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    A situation where I was making a report, the officer asked what "took you so long to answer the door". Well, I was in the other part of my house and put my gun up before talking to you .

    At that point... he states , "if I see anyone with a gun I'll shoot them ". We then went into quite a discussion about the laws, and him constantly dancing around nervously saying he would "shoot anyone I see with a gun"... even if they had a license, weren't threatening anyone, didn't have the gun out, and even though open carry on my property is legal in this state and I could legal be out there with the gun on......

    His partner's eyes were getting larger and larger as this went on. His partner commented, "well, I 'm glad you carry and I hope you are around if I'm ever in a fix and need help".

    The first officer, was removed from the force within a month. His partner reported all of this to the Chief of Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    I think you just proved my assertion.



    You tell me - something's going on if you are continually getting "picked on."
    NOT flaming you in any way. If you think you're being picked on, Then you must also look at your driving habits.
    First of all, nobody here is placing a blame on you, BUT you need to realize something is amiss here.
    3 stops in 6 weeks? that's more than I've had in 20 years, so something you're doing is attracting their attention. Gotta re-check your driving habits, because the next time might be worse.
    BTW, I NEVER would forgive bad LEO behavior, or rudness on their behalf, but ya gotta end this getting stopped stuff. (loud pipes, excessivly high suspension, etc, or even just "sliding into the gravel" by your friend might have been enough to set the guy off) There are hundreds of people out there with the "get the H*** out of my way" attitude. For whatever reason it was, you, or your driving behavior, may have been just enough to set him off.
    Rude behavior on his part is unaccepable, and maybe a call to the Station might be in order. Be thankful he didn't do a Quick inspection on your vehicle and cite you for things you may not be aware of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    I think you just proved my assertion.



    You tell me - something's going on if you are continually getting "picked on."
    That's fine, but I'm still well aware of how RADAR and LIDAR works, are you? Would any other police on here like to comment on using LIDAR from a moving vehicle?


    Like I said, nothing has changed, just a string of bad luck, I'm proud of my ticket and accident free driving record.

    Since you seem so interested, I'll post my first traffic stop, this was a post from another forum a while ago..

    This happened last night on my way home from a buddy's house.

    At about 5PM Sunday April 18th I was cruising home from a friends house, cruising Northbound along this long open road we call "China Ditch road" as I approach this stop sign, I get a blip of K band Radar from my Radar detector (Escort 8500 X50 for those who want to know) , as I stop at the stop sign I see an undercover Expedition to the left approaching the intersection about 100-200 yards away. So I stop then continue along China Ditch, he reaches the intersection and turns left in behind me, speed limit's 50, I'm cruising 53-54, GPS verified. He starts riding my ass, then lights me up, I pull off on a small private road. He approaches my window and asks for my drivers license, at the same time I hand him my CPL and inform him I am carrying. He asks where and I tell him IWB 4:00, but surprisingly this has nothing to do about me carrying, he wasn't concerned with that. Our pleasant conversation went a little like this.


    Cop: Do you know the speed limit on this road?

    Me: 50.

    Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?

    Me.: 54.

    Cop: I clocked you doing 66MPH in the 13300 block of 172 Ave

    I literally did a double take,

    Me: Well I wasn't, to respectfully disagree, I was doing 54, it was right there on my GPS.

    At this point I was starting to get agitated and was probably more aggressive than I should have been.

    Cop: Well I clocked you doing 66MPH in the 13300 Block of 172nd Ave!

    Me: You pulled out behind me, I have a radar detector, I know you're a cop, do you think I would do 16+ PSL in front of you?

    And here's where his story starts to fall apart.

    Cop: That's nice, but I'm using LIDAR. (Laser for those who don't know)

    Me: LIDAR doesn't work from a moving vehicle!

    Cop: I was stopped when I clocked you!

    Me: No you weren't, you've been behind me since 119th and you're trying to tell me you lasered me at the 133rd block?!?!

    Cop: Sit tight, I'll be right back

    So this guy runs back to his rig, runs my record, finds it to be absolutely 100% squeaky clean and knows I've busted his lying ass. Meanwhile while he's sitting in his rig running my info, some POS ricer actually does go flying by actually doing this 66MPH fairly tale land speed he got me at.

    I thought for sure I would get a ticket since I got very argumentative with him.

    He comes back out to my truck.

    Cop: Look, I do this everyday, this is my job, I don't know what s*** you think you know, but this is my job. I normally only cut breaks till 13-14+ PSL but I'm going to let you off with a warning and save you from a $147 ticket. Have a nice day.

    Me: Thank you

    This guy knows I busted his lame story and would have smoked him in court, that's the only reason he let me off with a warning, If I knew jack about Radar/laser like 99% of everyone else, I would have gotten a bogus ticket. I actually managed to win on the side of the road instead of having to go to court.

    I have total respect for police and have usually had pleasant experiences with LEOs but this guy truly deserves the title of a filthy barnyard animal.


    And if he wanted to go "fishing" why didn't he just tell me he stopped me for 4+ PSL?

    Here's a map of what went down.


    So Today I went down to the Sheriff's office and I'm in the process of filing a complaint. So far both the Sheriff's office and CRESA (Dispatch center) thinks I'm nuts for filing a complaint since I didn't get a ticket. It's about the principal of the matter, I have a perfect driving record, I'm honest and I sure as hell don't appreciate being talked to like I'm stupid, lied to and having my time wasted by a cop on a powertrip, his superior(s) needs to be aware of this.

    I got home tonight and downloaded the data from my GPS, surprise surprise, it clearly shows I was between 50 and 55 when he stopped me, if you see the blue section with the little "nub" on the left, that is the small private road I pulled off on when he stopped me. Sorry this pic is a little big.

    And the second traffic stop happened in Long Beach a few weeks ago. State Patrol stopped me and claimed my passenger wasn't wearing his seatbelt when he was wearing it the entire time. They argued for about 5 minutes before my buddy said "Either gimme the ticket or let me go, because you're wasting my time", the cop let him go.

    All 3 stops were BS, plain and simple and all of the officers were unprofessional, plain and simple.
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    By the information you just posted, and by the way you're describing the string of events, and the way you're describing them, please tell us why you're not in court, testifying on your behalf? I'm a Private Investigator, and if I had this much evidence, I'd file,
    BTW is your GPS calibrated like the WSP radar units? This is what is going to be asked when you're in front of the Judge, pleading your case.
    Better still, by the way you've described everything to us (the Forum members) I think you might want to re-check your demeaner toward the officers. I'm reading a lot of negative hostility as I'm sure the others might be reading as well.
    Comments such as "That's fine, but I'm still well aware of how RADAR and LIDAR works, are you? Would any other police on here like to comment on using LIDAR from a moving vehicle" plaease tell me you are Certified or possess the current credentials to verify what you're pleading.

    The next comment from your "buddy" could really have made things complcated with "And the second traffic stop happened in Long Beach a few weeks ago. State Patrol stopped me and claimed my passenger wasn't wearing his seatbelt when he was wearing it the entire time. They argued for about 5 minutes before my buddy said "Either gimme the f****** ticket or let me go, because you're wasting my time", the cop let him go.

    I perceive, by reading the posting here, that, like I said before, something is amiss here.
    Mind you, I lived in Bremerton/ Port Orchard Wa area for a while, and never was stopped by an LEO, AND I had NH Tags on my vehicle.

    Bottom line is, we're all friends here, and we, including myself, are just trying to give you good logical advice with the frustration you're experiencing.
    Have all the incidents been in the same geographical area? If so, then you're well known. If not, then this is also a time to re-consider how you and your passengers portray yourselves. If they're NOT in the same area, then maybe, just maybe, the first officer placed a notation in the Tag file, that may them a heads up about you.) Here in NH a NHSP stop, for let's say, speeding, and given a verbal warning, just might be on file for the next LEO to read, or a License that hasn't had the correct address on it WILL be placed in the database.) Something like this just might have been done in your case, therefore placing you on some sort of watch list, or agressive driver watch list.
    I'm not a Moderator, but have been here a very long time, to see that this thread could get very out-of-hand rather quickly.
    Either way, I wish you luck and hope you don't get stopped again.
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    Well, I'll be the first to tell you when I get frustrated, I'll get argumentative. I was very courteous to the first officer, I pulled off onto a private road off of the main road, kept my hands on the wheel, informed him I was armed, honestly answered what the speed limit was and how fast I was going, then he decided to play games with me, and I beat him at his own game.

    And I don't have to have LIDAR training to tell you LIDAR doesn't work from a moving vehicle, it's common knowledge , furthermore why would the officer use LIDAR (which he has to aim precisely, while driving) when he already had his RADAR running and on was pacing me to boot?

    And FWIW, that's the second time my buddy has been stopped for not wearing a seatbelt, while he was wearing a seatbelt, he wasn't in a good mood.

    I was also polite to the third officer, I could have easily pretended I didn't see him flag me over and drove away, I barely heard his whistle.. I responded with yes sir, informed him I was armed and even shook his hand as I left the station, I have no problem with LEOs, I have problems with LEOs on powertrips who are in the wrong.

    All the stops were in fairly different places, the first one was not far from my house by Clark County Sheriff's, second was in Long Beach 100 miles away by State Patrol, and the third was in Cougar WA, about 35 miles from my house in Cowlitz County but I was stopped by Skamania County Sheriff's...
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    This thread has degraded well beyond the scope of OC/CC, its done.
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