This is a discussion on Cabellas is anti OC within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Eagleks I have to jump in with a comment. Seems want to stand up for a business's private property rights, but let ...
And to all of you that are arguing that you know Cabela's corporate policy better than Cabela's duly appointed representative at that location I'll say this. Good luck with that argument in any court in the world. That manager could have talked to Dick or Jim that very morning on the phone or sat in on a meeting just last week changing policy. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT POLICY IS!
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Despite what anyone's view on OC or CC may be, any store, any business, any friend, any neighbor, any homeowner, etc., had the right to say "no" to firearms on the property under their control, and no law or permit gives us the right to defy it without consequences, whether it is being asked to leave, charged with tresspass, or whatever a particular state's laws permit. Just we firearm carriers wish to dictate where we can carry, those entities wish to say otherwise, and we should respect that right.
Some may choose to take their business elsewhere; some may not. The business owners will not be as offended as some of you may be; the accountants may notice the drop in sales.
Whether the clerk or manager was "wrong" on this point is irrelevant. The OP was asked to cover his firearm, and a simple courtesy followed up with a clarification of policy with all involved would have done more for the OC cause than a confrontation. The manager represents the company, and if he is wrong, then the matter needs to passed on to the company for correction. There's a right way and a wrong way to win the battle.
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Nicely said, OldVet! That's yet another reason why, even if I'm in another state, I'll continue to inform someone whose house I'm entering that I'm armed, even if that states laws don't require it. It's just showing my respect to the owner(s) of the home. We're required to do so in the state of Arkansas, so that'll definitely be done here any time that I carry to someone's doorway.
Also, I want to clarify something: No condemnation has been intended from me towards the OP. I can see where I would likely be upset, as well, and can't say as I've never said somewhat immature things about people whom had made me angry. Venting is cathartic for a reason. We're only human and I really don't see where the vast majority of folks here can't say that they haven't done something similar at some point in their lives. I'll take the OP at his word that he wasn't overly agressive in his confrontation and don't see where he's indicated that he called these folks "moron's" to their faces.
Hopefully it's a lesson learned and b1780 grows from it. As mentioned ad nauseum, personal Rights can be trumped by the Rights of others where our Rights may infringe upon that of others. Maybe some of the rest of us will learn not only from b1780's incident, but from posts made in this thread, as well. We can only hope....
But you are condemning his actions based on assumptions yourself. Taking his posts in this thread at face value, he did NOT "cause a scene" as you assume he did. At least, beyond covering his weapon and then questioning first the employee, then the manager of the store. While anyone w/a modicum of SA might well have noticed the conversation between b1780 and store staff, most folks likely would have just walked on by, totally oblivious to what was happening.I've done similar and can get pissed too. I'm not getting on his case, just answering your question as to how anyone can assume he was making a scene. So there it is.
Now, it's entirely possible that we've been lied to, b1780 did indeed cause a scene and was making some folks think negatively towards those who carry - be it OC or CC. However, there's nothing in his comments about his story which indicate he really did anything wrong beyond making the employee feel he had to get the manager.
Not meaning to jump your case, either. Just pointing out your assumption with regards to a "scene" being created.
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Jeeeez, just cover up your gun and go about your bussiness. Its their store.
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I wish Cabelas WASN"T in TX because the shipping from out of state is less than the Texas sales tax + the time and gas to drive 60 miles to it from my home. If I buy online from Cabelas I get hit with the tax AND shipping. Thus Cabelas gets less biz from me than closer businesses and online stores that aren't in TX. Go figure - I did.
Our Cabela's in Phoenix is fine with OC. I was there last week and saw perhaps 5 or 6 guys OC. As for me, CC as always.
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Hm, just a thought, Say you're asked to leave by the manager for carrying either open or concealed, Contact the corporate office, are assured that is not correct policy, get it in writing from the corporate headquarters, then have it happen again in that store? or worse, have them not say a word but simply call the police on you as possibly having a firearm on you. Do you leave on the second incident with a guarantee from corporate in writing in your pocket stating that your actions are permitted? If the cops are simply called because the manager remembered asking you to leave a couple of weeks ago would the cops arrest you? escort you from the premises? ban you from the store on the manager's word even though you can PROVE that his actions are in violation of corporate policy?
Just curious on everyone's thoughts
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From one Old Vet to another...I absolutely agree with every point you have very articularly made. It was very "common sense" and to the point.
Generally speaking...most, if not everyone who has responded agree that the Manager was "wrong regarding the facts", BUT...it is incumbent upon us to "right the wrong" in the proper way..exercising patience and utilizing the "better part of valor" to educate those around us regarding the right to Open Carry.
I have very much appreciated all of the responses on this thread. Thanks!
First off the OP didn't "make a scene, or get rude" like all you people are making up. private property or not, the manager doesn't trump corporate policy. why didn't he "just cover up" because he doesn't have to. I would have calmly and politely informed the manager of his own mistake and then asked him to call someone with further knowledge if he disagreed with me. (i've done this before with a corporate owned store.) The rules are the rules... the manager has nothing to back his what he thinks are the rules. I won in my case, the manager said she had no grounds on asking me to leave, I was not being a "rude gun toting person."
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Jeezz, it wasnt as if they told you to leave or anything..........seems these days everyone is taking their rights to somewhat of an extreme, we all have them, we all want to keep them, we all abide by each others right for this or that whatever...........BUT, to p&m about being asked to cc isnt a big deal and really isnt an infringement on your right to carry open or cc to the degree you seem offended by..........get over it. Ya might see new signs now.........wonder what would have caused them to put those up anyways !!!