With all due respect (and I'm NOT flaming anybody here including the Poster) I must ask B1780 this question. With all your frustrations and how you're venting to us (the Forum)
are you going to contact the Corporate office of Cabela's? If so, my suggestion is to record the date, time, and names of all Managers/ Personel that were involved in the encounter. Next, let the Corporate Office know that you observed their Store policy, but was stopped by managment, and asked to conceal your handgun. Ask the Corprate Office to either mail or fax a letter of their Policy regarding OC and CC in their Stores (take note of the word STORES as it is a nationwide chain) This way, you'll either get a blanket Store Policy for their Chain, or a State by State Policy specifically targeting each of their Stores.
Let Cabela's deal with it on their end. You'll get a reply in a timely fashon. until you do, I'd say either don't shop there, or cover up if asked again by the manager.
As I stated earlier in a previous reply to this thread, NOTHING gets attention quicker, than a letter, or note (how do we rate card, as Cabela's has them at every Entrance/Exit of their stores) slipped in the slot or letter mailed to the Parent Office of the firm. Hope you get a good reply, and I hope their response is a positive one.
No, the agent in this case is not authorized by the actual property owner to take the action he took. If they were operating according to company policy I would completely agree with you. In this case, absolutely not. I will say though, when asked to leave or cover up or whatever it is best to simply comply and then complain to corporate HQ later, just so we're clear that aspect is not what I am disputing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanis;
AFTER THE FACT you did the correct thing and took matters up with corporate. This is what Old Vet and I think is the correct response and I applaude you for following up. But...
Here is the point you are missing!
IN THE MOMENT you had no way to verify that you were, in fact, correct (It's very likely that you could have been wrong). You huffed out of the store complaining about policy and stating you'll take your money elsewhere. You left that manager with a lasting impression that you are just a hotheaded jerk. The next time he sees someone like us walk in with a gun on his hip he will be thinking "Oh, boy. Not another one of these guys."
Do you understand my point now?
I'm getting the impression that you are not old enough to have a clear picture of what was happening at the time. I'm guessing you were still in high school at the time.
ETA video clip.
An example for you sir
I very kindly ask this moron why he would like me to conceal, as I explain to him that it is unnecessary as they are not posted. I am completely following the letter of the law. He informs me that there are signs everywhere throughout the store that state that the firearm must be concealed. At this point I am pissed, seeing as this dope has no clue regarding the laws. I ask him to show me the sign that states this, simply because I allready know that it does not exist. Walking to the exit, without the items I intended to purchase, I see the store manager. I explain to him what his retard employee has asked me to do. I want to clarify Cabellas position on this before I will ever spend another dime in their store. I am told by this *** hat that if I want to shop in there store the firearm must be concealed. At this point I am upset about this event out of mostly principle.
No the signs did not say that the firearms had to be concealed at all. This is why I am uspset. The words I used in my post were me simply venting here. I understand that it is private property but they are not posted, and there are no signs stating that I had to CC.
In bold I highlighted some of your earlier posts. You must think we at DC are foolish enough to just go along when someone keeps changing their story. Your previous posts show that you did not know about their policy. You were informed of their policy after you called them. It's all there in black and white.Quote:
My point exactly. If they want me to know the rules, that are clearly different then what is posted on the door they need to make them clear. I don't have a crystal ball. I guess what made me the most angry is that the sign on the door says one thing, but the employee and manager seem to have their own opinions. I have been to the othe store in Owatonna, MN and have OC'd without any problems at all. I called their manager this afternoon and he said that it is corporate policy to follow the rules of the state, and that OC in their store was just fine. So explain to me the difference from store to store that is all part of the same corp.
Also if you know so much about the companies inner workings you might know that the name is Cabela's with one L not two.
I don't believe you are telling the truth. Enough said.
Yes I think you were a child at the time.
I'm putting you at age 22 now. My guess is you were 16ish during Katrina and you were a sophomore or junior in high school.
No disrespect intended, I just don't think you have a clear picture of what happened. Most highschoolers would not have understood those events as they unfolded.
He told me he would reeducate the Asst. Mgr. 2 weeks ago I was OC'ing in the store and walked right by the Asst. Mgr. in question. He followed me around the store a bit, not very secretive about it. He also never spoke to me, you know the usual "welcome to Walmart." That was it. Once I got with the right person the issue was taken care of. In the mean time I have taken my weekly shopping elsewhere, to the tune of about $500-600 a month.
What I don't like about this thread is that the OPs story keeps morphing into something slightly different in response to follow-up comments and opinions by other members.
It should be noted that many forum members will click on a thread and they will only read the original post and then they will post their respective comments based on the information contained in the original post without reading through the entire thread which is their prerogative.
That is causing exactly the same comments to be posted numerous times.
This thread may be nearing closure unless there are some forthcoming new revelations real soon because at this point in time it's running 'round in circles.
Peckman, we agree, we can understand the OPs venting, believe the manager acted wrong, and it would be best to simply comply or walk away and take it up with corporate later. You don't like the use of the term property rights, I'm stating it does not matter, it comes down to property rights.
You are overstressing corporate policy. It does not legally limit the authorty of an agent of the property owner. As an invitee you can be asked to comply or leave at any time, without cause (of couse, there are exceptions, as I have listed in past posts). A property owner (or agent) has right on their property, to exclude others from the property (less some crime, easement, etc).
While law (such as property rights) can compel or prohibit behaviors policy merely guides actions toward those that are most likely to achieve a desired outcome, but is not generally binding unless for example a return on a purchase (even then, most likely the LE can't force the return, that is something the LE will tell you you must take up in court).
You may have some recourse later (sue for some damages), but no matter how you cut it, it is a property rights issue because policy differs from laws that are enforcable by LE.
We may just be seeing the same thing in a bit of a different light.
Heres the corp. policy.