Sears and Kmart - Defense Free Zones

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    Sears and Kmart - Defense Free Zones

    I was kicked out of a Sears in my home town. I am not going to say asked to leave, or polity escorted out, because of how the manager treated me, and was threatening me with arrest. OC is legal in the state of NV, and i was not being disruptive, a buddy and i were simply looking at tools. While i was OCing, this policy applies to CC as well. "Concealed is concealed" people, i respect your view, but please take a look at the "United front" quote i include towards the end.

    Sears response to a phone call asking for clarification on their firearms policy:
    "Dear sir,

    Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
    hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
    that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for the inconvenience you
    have experienced and understand your frustration with firearms not being
    allowed in Sears stores.

    With regard to your suggestion that Sears change its policy regarding
    weapons in the workplace, Sears has no intention of doing so at this
    time as we remain focused on providing a safe shopping and work
    environment for our customers and associates

    Once again, we apologize for your experience with firearms not being
    allowed in Sears stores. We appreciate your business, and value you as a
    customer. We certainly hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings
    Corporation your choice for quality and value.


    Sincerely,
    Brooke G.
    Retail Customer Care
    Sears Holdings Corporation"

    Kmart's response to a separate email asking about the Corporate policy regarding the legal carry of firearms into their stores:
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    Dear sir,

    Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
    hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
    that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for any frustration you
    have encountered with our Gun Policy.


    You may forward your comments to:

    Sears Holdings Corporation
    3333 Beverly Road
    Mail Stop RR-1
    Hoffman Estates, IL 60179

    Once more, thank you for taking the time to contact us. We appreciate
    your business and value you as a Sears Holdings customer. We certainly
    hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings your choice for quality
    and value.


    Sincerely,
    Ray J
    Retail Customer Care
    Sears Holdings Corporation "


    Please feel free to send letter, emails, or phone calls in to both companies letting them know if they will be losing your business. Personally i will not be spending any money with either store unless the policy is changed, and i will be informing all of my friends who support the 2nd amendment of their policy.

    Hopefully we can get Sears Holdings Corporation to reconsider and take an approach similar to their competitors such as Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart and other companies such as Starbucks that go along with state law, instead of infringing on 2nd amendment rights and not allowing customers to protect themselves.

    Somebody on a local forum discussing the incident posted this:

    ""Here is my suggestion: let's put up a united front. When gun owners are treated poorly for acting within their rights, we support them in that activity instead of getting all high and mighty. Or, let's continue to splinter ourselves. FUDDs over there, concealed only snobs on this side, cops over here, NFA owners (you unpopular @#$%s...why do you need a silencer or a machine gun?). Hand together or hang alone, y'know? ""

    So please, feel free to repost this on any local, small forums, or other large forums i have not heard about, it gotten around to posting on yet. Lets band together, and get some changes made!

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    I love the 2A but I cannot find it in me to boycott Sears. Sears has a policy to keep paying reservists who get called up their salaries when they are gone. I don't know if it's all or part of their pay, either way it's awesome of a company to do that. Some military families are able to avoid all kinds of money troubles because Sears takes care of the it's employees.
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    I have not seen any of that in those places in my state. I get caught, all they can do is ask me to leave. Only if I refuse will I get arrested for criminal trespassing. But I heard from a lot of CCW/open-carry holders in my state is that if they kick me out and there is no sign in the first place prohibiting carrying of guns and weapons, I can sue. For VA residents familiar with our gun laws, is that true? I was told that by a co-worker who does both open and concealed carry and a fellow person I regularly chat with at the range who also conceal carry himself.

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    Does anyone have an email address for a responsible party at either/both headquarters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaxMentis View Post
    Does anyone have an email address for a responsible party at either/both headquarters?
    I was told that everybody is a representative of corporate when i called, and they said there was nobody higher up then them when i asked to speak to the next higher up.

    Im not really sure how else to continue but to keep sending emails to the contact page form on the website.

    By responsible party do you mean CEO or something along those lines?

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    Kmart hired extremely anti-gun Rosie O'Donnell to be their spokeswoman. Sears and Kmart are joined at the hip. (One owns the other--I can't remember which.)

    It does NOT surprise me in the slightest that this is their policy.
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    Sears and K-Mart are still in business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Storm View Post
    I have not seen any of that in those places in my state. I get caught, all they can do is ask me to leave. Only if I refuse will I get arrested for criminal trespassing. But I heard from a lot of CCW/open-carry holders in my state is that if they kick me out and there is no sign in the first place prohibiting carrying of guns and weapons, I can sue. For VA residents familiar with our gun laws, is that true? I was told that by a co-worker who does both open and concealed carry and a fellow person I regularly chat with at the range who also conceal carry himself.
    Jason, I have never heard of such. If they ask you to leave, posted or not, you have to or risk arrest for trespass. You may then contact the manager or owner and request they change their policy or post the doors appropriately. Be sure to let them know that if they don't want to change the policy and post the doors, that you will be spending your money elsewhere.
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    Interesting. I OC at my local K-mart all the time, and have never heard a peep. Maybe they just aren't noticing...

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    I've never open carried in either, but have CC'd in both recently.
    I wasn't aware that either had a "no guns" policy.
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    Well I can't OC in my state...yet...so I really can't say about Sears here. No K-marts. Though I don't see any signs about firearms at the Sears I seldom go to.
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    The Sears store closest to me is in a mall. The mall is not posted, nor is the Sears store or any other individual store in the mall. The local K-mart is also not posted. I frequent both of them concealed carrying and have never had a problem. Is the policy possibly a district thing or the individual store manager or is it supposedly corporate? In Ohio, no gun signs have the force of law, but if a place isn't posted (other than gvt bldgs, schools, places that serve alcohol,etc. defined by law) you can carry legally. Although Ohio is an open carry state, I don't think many do so. I, personally, have never seen anyone open carrying. Most carry concealed. Less hassel with MWG calls to LEOs.
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    Ive seen open carry in Wally world on occassion.

    Most of the time if the person is dressed nice I think its a LEO off duty .
    I never get concerned.
    KMART and SEARS have silly policies like everyone else.
    You just have to voice your concerns and if it means enough stop shopping from them.

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