People in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia have had much better results.
thanks folks apprieciate the input
False arrest = Big $$$. Unlawful seisure = Big $$$. Minus the lawyer's 33%, of course.
One of these days a LEO is going to cost his PD and city big bucks for doing something like this to a "law abidding" citizen. I waiting for my deputy neighbor to pull me over like he does others on the road closeby. He's a deputy of another county, by the way, far out of his jurisdiction.
I've had two interactions with local LEO since I began to OC. The first went reasonably well considering he thought that the license to carry required concealed carry. But he conceded I may be correct after I explained the research I had done. He asked that I cover up for now until they work out a procedure. I figured he was nice and seemed honorable so this time I covered up. Some months later another interaction probably due to a MWAG call occured. The lead officer was an ass. Even after realizing the license didnt require concealed carry he still berated me about my decision. Claimed my wearing cargo shorts would get me mistaken as a police officer LOL. He wouldn't let me reload in his presence and when I pointed out I couldnt just do it in my car as he suggested because I walked, he said he could impound it for me and I could pick it up later. Unfortunately I did not have the voice recorder at the time but that experience is why I now have one when I OC.
Oh and the first words one should say to LEO are "am I being detained"?
Good luck with OC
We are open carry state, mostly, but, not worth the hassle unless I'm to be out of town.
Of course that wouldn't be very professional, either, but at least I wouldn't be directly arguing with the guy. Given him something to think about, anyway.
Keep it short and sweet.
Obey the law.
Carry a voice recorder where lawful to do so.
Assert your right to obey the law.
Don't argue, ask if you're free to leave.
If you're not free to leave, assert your right to remain silent.
Do not consent to any searches.
If he falsely arrests you, it creates REAL damages and a documentary record of same.
Pursue ALL of your remedies, both administrative and in civil court.
What he really did was threaten to steal your gun
You should also file 42 USC 1985 & 1986 as well. (conspiracy to deprive rights and neglect to prevent for the higher up city officials)
You have to decide if this is the battle you want to fight. You may be arrested multiple times, have your firearm taken multiple times, in order to make your point. Then all the charges may be dropped, but you still got arrested.
Funny thing about cops. They don't appreciate someone explaining the law to them, they believe they ARE the law.
Good luck with that. If a cop finds it he will smash it. It will not be allowed in court as you do not have permission to record his voice. (I would do it just to have a record of the incident. Just in case you are accused of saying things you didn't, if you know what I mean.) Keep it hidden.Quote:
get something to record interactions. A digital voice recorder is a must if one is going to OC.
Check the laws where you live.