This is a discussion on Tailed by an LEO within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Deanimator Actually, it's morphed into a potentially useful discussion of recording police encounters. No it hasnt. Like always, you indicated that you ...
Am I the only one that thinks that the police were right outside of the door at Home Depot because they might have gotten a call from the managment or someone else with a report of a person with a gun in the store.
If the dispatcher was talking to the reporting party and the party said, no they are not threatening anyone, they are shopping ect. Maybe the LEO's just happened to be there to observe the report of the person with a gun in the store. Noticed you exit the store and made sure that you weren't about to go back in the store and rob it after making a quick pass through scoping the store out under the ospice of making a purchase.
And yes, I too get tired of the posts about LEO's supposedly harrasing folks for open carrying or taking a gun during a stop and disassembling it, or other nonsense like that. This is almost as tiring as the trend of Taurus trashing that has been prevalent lately.
I have been carrying, concealed that is, for quite some time, and never been harrassed by a LEO and never been asked to hand over my gun when in official contact with them. Attitudes go a long way sometimes. I keep a low profile, ackowledge LEO's when out in public, but don't try to draw undue attention to myself.
Really, a pink Kimber?
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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Christmas 08 (maybe Christmas eve) I was with my wife and an LEO tailed us for several miles (even out of his jurisdiction). It had me concerned, and we pulled into restaurant parking lot, and he followed us in. I got out of the car, I told my wife to go into the restaurant and get ready to call 911. Keeping hands in view, waved as I got near.
He rolled down the window (I was maybe 4 feet away) and he asked, "How can I help you?"
I replied, "I was wondering why you were following us?"
He asked, "Are you going to eat at the restaurant?"
I replied, "Changed my mind, the local police are acting creepy, driving people away. I'll ask again, why were you following us?"
He responded, "The driver was swerving, has she been drinking?"
I stated something like, "No, not all, to be honest you are really acting strange, you are outside your department's city, she was not swerving, so please leave us be or I'm going to go in the restaurant, call 911, and ask for a copy of your dash camera."
He looked at me. Then rolled up his window and left. My wife and I had no idea what happened, or why. The guy was wierd, and the next week, we called LE to let them know what had happened. Received a call, and someone from the department told us they had tracked down the officer, that it was a LEO (I had questioned if it was a real LEO), and was asked if I wanted to file a complaint. I stated no, just wanted to make sure it was a LEO.
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Back to OP: Most likely LEOs being observant. Maybe they just wanted to see what civilians prefer to carry? That's my usual thought: Hum, what's that he's carrying.
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Wow! looks like I got out of this intense thread at a good time Anyway, no hard feelings WC145... I was just feeling you were calling me, personally, a speedo wearing clown... Which, creeps me out
I DO think that OC'iers should not be followed by cops, but at the same time, I understand that a civilian carrying openly can be intimidating. But I assure you, and I think I speak for many OC'iers, We DO care about other peoples feelings and don't want any trouble.. We just do not want to Hide the fact we're carrying. Its a Right that we the People have and it should be respected as such.
Now, I'm off to the desert to do some SHOOOOOTING!!
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Not all LEO can be trusted, but you have to choose your battles carefully.
I had problems with this department in the early 90s, lost a traffic case in 91. However it resulted in a couple I did not know who acted as my witnesses filing a complaint against the officer, because the officer's written report was very different then what they witnesses. The couple had been behind the officer, thought he had been drinking, had a female in the car I thought (and they thought) was another LEO (however in his report he was alone), and they believed the officer pulled over the wrong car (me). Long story short, judge stated testimony and report of officer was more reliable then me or other witnesses. The couple, who lived in that city were livid, and pulled me into the complaint, and I signed my statement. Maybe I was cowardly, but I was a teen, figured there was a lot of injustice in the world, took it as a lesson, and wanted no more of the situation.
Then I won a traffic case in 92 where a different officer from the same city all but perjured himself when on the stand (you could tell judge / magistrate was troubled by the officer's statements and made the officer really upset to have a teen get the better of him on the stand). I avoid driving in that city until 1999 (and it is a close city).
I have relatives there, it was the holidays, had my wife drive, was close to 20 years later. That is why I was a bit aggressive / defensive when the LEO followed my wife (especially out of his jurisdiction), and why I did not file an official complaint. I just wanted to make sure it was a LEO, and that it was not one of the LEOs I had previous issues with from that city (I still have the court transcripts, and at least once a year google search the officers' names, including the one from 08).
I'm in no way saying LEOs should not be given all due respect, but I've had a close enough run in that I will always have a good portion of doubt toward any that do anything out of the norm around me.
Last edited by Thanis; June 23rd, 2010 at 01:12 AM.
Just a side note Thanis, real life isn't like the Dukes of Hazard... LEO's can make stops outside of city limits. If you are suspected of a traffic offense, you are not home free once you hit a political boundary.
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I believe in MI, whay you stated is correct if issue was an obvious felony. If the traffic violation isn't a felony (like a felony hit and run), then, even for say a suspected DWI, I believe the department with jurisdiction must request the out of jurisdiction LEO take action on the violation. Example, city officer is on the way to court outside of his jurisdiction and notices someone running a red. City officer makes stop, radios Sheriff dept, tells them he observed violation. If they don't have a patrol nearby they can request out of jurisdiction city officer to take enforcement. Then, once the request was made, the city officer has the same authority that the sheriff's deputy.
Other states, provide even less authority, and a LEO out of jurisdiction would be making basically a citizen's arrest.
Then there are states that don't consider those jurisdiction issues within the state.
Regarding the original post, maybe the police car had just pulled in (not parked at the curb) and were simply driving across the parking lot. Don't assume everyone is out to get you.
When I am in my patrol car everyone thinks I am following them or trying to get them. Unless you have been or are doing something illegal, don't worry.
Yes, there are bad cops in the world, just like there are bad doctors, bad accountants, bad ministers, and bad soccer moms. Don't automatically assume that every cop is a lying, scheming, piece of crap who will do anything to make sure you have to pay a $100 fine.
Carry your weapon in a legal manner, quit worrying about the cops and pay closer attention to all the real threats to your safety.