I left that thread eventually, and there was debate, but no one that I saw suggested that it was "fake." Please provide some evidence to support that conclusion, aside fromt he fact that you want it to be fake...Quote:
That is why the only story you could find is one that has already been debated on this site and I personally feel, as well as others on this site, is fake.
So, if you deter 1 in 1,000 but invite 5 in 1,000 - that's a good ratio for you? There's no way anyone can ever know what you've invited/deterred, for the most part, so really you're just picking numbers out of the air...Quote:
The fact is that if OC'ing deters 1 criminal in 1000 then it is worth whatever risk there might be of some Jackass attempting to take my firearm and use it against me.
Outstanding. I'm sure the BG is confident as well. If only "confidence" were the sure deciding factor in violent confrontations...Quote:
I very confident in my abilities to retain my firearm.
Bingo, and more power to you. Best to just admit to this, and not cling to the "advantages" of OCing.Quote:
Moreover, deterrence is not the only reason I OC.. The main reason is because I simply do not feel the need to hide the fact that I am carrying. Plain and Simple
They don't value life, period - yours, mine, or theirs - so the amount of danger is of no consequence. If it was, the jewelery store owner that was talked about a few months ago wouldn't have killed 5 robbers in his store over a period of years. LEO's wouldn't get shot on the job.
LoL! Its interesting to hear your points of view. And we are all entitled to our opinion. However, I know from personal experience that criminals are people as well. They think and act with reasons. They are reasons that are hard for many of us to understand, but none-the-less there is a logic behind there actions.
The fact is that if gang bangers and criminals were just the mindless monsters that wished only to destroy the world without self preservation, everything would be MUCH worse then it is now.
There is study after study and interview after interview that supports my opinion that criminals go after the weak and the defenseless. No one will ever convince me that a criminal or desperate drug addict would chose an in shape, 6 foot, 175 lb man with a sidearm over a grandmother with a purse or a teenager behind a counter...
I grew up in a very bad situation and have personally watched my "friends" who were very bad people, I would say even EVIL, do stupid things.. They are almost all in prison now. I listened to them plan robberies, discuss mugging people and go off into the street with the simple plan to get into a fight. I know for sure that these idiots would still not be stupid enough to harass a man carrying. Hell, they carried (illegally) and would always know who was carrying at their parties.. they never picked fights with those people!! Its basic human instinct to not want to get shot!
You folks who claim to have been working in LE for years or think you know how they think... your greatly mistaken! They make fun of you, talk trash about you, and would never tell you the truth about how they feel. Until you're in the slum house watching everyone snort coke, smoke crack, load and reload their stolen 9mm's while smoking blunts, you don't know.. I have been there and I can tell you with complete confidence... THEY DON'T BOTHER PEOPLE WITH SIDE ARMS!!
So, with all due respect, don't call me naive.. I have seen more than I would like to have and have worked very hard to turn my life around and get out of that situation.
I cc much more often then oc, but it's been my experience that a lot of people are so caught up in their own little world that they don't even notice. Sheeple don't seem to have a lot of S.A.
They talk smack about cops? Wow. I never knew. :rolleyes:
Have fun in your version of the world. :bier:
P.S. Wear flack a jacket! I'll give ya a week:wink:
Kootsoop's right that most criminals won't go after an armed and fit "victim" over a frail old lady if their looking to steal a wallet or a handbag, but what if what he's after is the gun itself?
LOL! you guys are funny! Of course I would get attacked in the "hood".. A white boy from out of town walking around with a sidearm.. That's stupid and disrespectful and if you truly do work with these types of individuals you know there is an etiquette.. What I am saying that when you're shopping or out and about in a normal, proper side of town no thug is going to pick me out of the crowd for robbing.. there going to pick the defenseless and the weak. Do you really disagree with that??
I agree with you that criminals are by and large rational (when they're not high on crack/pcp/meth/lsd etc) but I can think of a whole lot of rational reasons why a criminal would attack someone that OC's.
If you take on the endevor of OC "in the hood", while being a minority there, it screams " I'm scared, your neighborhood sucks, I'm stupid and this thing on my hip is going to protect me. They will see disrespect in that and they WILL challenge it, and you will likely loose that battle no matter how proficient you think you are with a handgun.
Well, I don't disagree with that.. If you tried that, you mights as well be running around yelling the "N" word... LOL! I wouldn't try that with a M60 tied to my face :)
I have seen people unknowingly expose their "concealed" hand gun by sweeping their cover garment aside while reaching for their wallet. I have seen guys get out of their car and pull their belt up by grabbing their holster on one side and spare mag on the other through their cover garment and hitching their pants up the same way I have seen countless LEO do it with their duty belt. I have seen blatantly obvious printing that the person was completely oblivious to.
Very few people CCW well. And when they CCW poorly and think they are doing it well, they tend to let their situational awareness slide down to almost condition white. They think they can't be the victim of a gun grab because no one knows that they have a gun. But if I can see it, most street smart criminals will see it too.
Carrying concealed doesn't always equal the element of surprise. That is something everyone should keep in mind at all times.
one, thats false that a criminal wont go after someone for a gun, i know LEO's and a few guards i work with that have had people make a gun grab and get hurt for it. it is very rare, but it does happen. Never say Never. That being said, I OC, because it is comfortable and legal for me to do so