BIG stores policys
This is a discussion on BIG stores policys within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; private open for public access. What if Walmart didn't like my shoes could they kick me out? Or the color of my skin, private property, ...
October 15th, 2010 04:52 PM
private open for public access. What if Walmart didn't like my shoes could they kick me out? Or the color of my skin, private property, you could kick them out because of color/race could you not? If it was not public access ie: your home you would have a point.
October 15th, 2010 04:55 PM
Our guns are protected under the 2A if I recall. Heck I've bought handguns at walmart...
October 15th, 2010 05:00 PM
No, but you open it to the public it changes to public access. Google public location or public place, there are some interesting points.
October 15th, 2010 05:16 PM
How come you can be arrested for "public intoxication" in a wal mart or a bar if they are private?
October 15th, 2010 05:19 PM
Our statutes do not define “public place” or “place of public resort,” but Indiana courts have nevertheless applied a consistent interpretation of the term “public place.” Fought v. State, 898 N.E.2d 447, 450 (Ind. Ct. App. 2008). “A „public place‟ does not mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public; but it means a place which is in point of fact public, as distinguished from private, - a place that is visited by many persons, and usually accessible to the neighboring public.” State v. Tincher, 21 Ind. App. 142, 144, 51 N.E. 943, 944 (1898).
October 15th, 2010 09:14 PM
You can be arrested for public intoxication standing in your own front yard, but that is definitely private property in the fullest sense of the term. If Walmart doesn't like your shoe color here, then they can tell you to leave. Fail to do so and you are trespassing and can be arrested. There is a very limited protected class of what's classified as discrimination. These are usually things that a person has no choice in the matter (race, handicap, etc.).
The 2A does not trump private property rights. No rights trump others. They are applied equally. How in the h#$$ do you figure the 2A means you can walk in any buisness you want no matter what they feel. The 2A affirms protection from the government only, not from other citizens. That's not to say a state can't make their own laws regarding firearm access, etc., but the 2A only applies to government infringement against the citizens, period.
You quoted what Indiana defined as public places, but you did not quote any case law that private property rights are forfeited because of a place being accessible to the public. Until you do, and by some of your other comments, I'm going to have to call BS.
October 15th, 2010 09:51 PM
Blgth43, after extensive searching I've come to the conclusion that Indiana property rights are just like they are here in Georgia when it comes to carry. Signs hold no weight, but if asked to leave you must or else face trespass charges. I've seen this posted regarding Indiana many times. You are the only person who's posted that you don't have to leave a store if asked. I would suggest that you study up on the law before you end up in a situation you don't want to be.
From the Indiana Firearms FAQ located at: http://www.in.gov/isp/files/firearms_FAQ_02_08.pdf which is located on the Indiana State Police website:
Also, the right to carry a firearm may be restricted on private
property and businesses by the owners.
October 16th, 2010 12:05 AM
What the hey, Carry on! You too can become a test case.
I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!
"Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. And you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome son." Josh Thompson "Way Out Here"
October 16th, 2010 12:31 AM
^^ This right here.
Originally Posted by MattInFla
October 18th, 2010 04:24 PM
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As one can read in this Indiana law, it allows it’s residents/occupants to have sex and publically fondle each other as long the act is not viewed by people (either occupants or invitees) of the public place. As long as no passerbys can see the sexual acts from outside the store, it’s allowed!
Chapter 4. Indecent Acts and Prostitution
(a) A person who knowingly or intentionally, in a public place:
(1) engages in sexual intercourse;
(2) engages in deviate sexual conduct;
(3) appears in a state of nudity; or
(4) fondles the person’s genitals or the genitals of another person; commits public indecency, a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class D felony if the person commits the offense by appearing in the state of nudity with the intent to arouse the sexual desires of the person or another person in or on a public place where a child less than sixteen (16) years of age is present.
(b) “Nudity” means the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area, or buttocks with less than a fully opaque covering, the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple, or the showing of covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state.
(c) A person who, in a place other than a public place, with the intent to be seen by persons other than invitees and occupants of that place:
(1) engages in sexual intercourse;
(2) engages in deviate sexual conduct; or
(3) fondles the person’s genitals or the genitals of another person; where the person can be seen by persons other than invitees and occupants of that place commits indecent exposure, a Class C misdemeanor.
As added by Acts 1976, P.L.148, SEC.5. Amended by Acts 1977, P.L.340, SEC.76; P.L.189-1984, SEC.1; P.L.215-1997, SEC.1.
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May 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
According to that law, it is ILLEGAL to have sex or fondle people IN a public place…such as walmart. Weather people can see you or not.
The second part of the code states that it is also illegal to do the same thing in a non-public place( as in your front yard.) with the intention of trying to arrouse others.
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October 18th, 2010 05:54 PM
I am not quite shore what you are trying to say Blgth43. The impression I get is its like dogging it anywhere else. If you don’t get caught its fine.
October 18th, 2010 10:39 PM
OP... this is what I do. I send out a lot of email to stores I visit a lot or am planning on visiting soon. I send them an email and nicely ask about their firearm policies. The store emails me back and I print the emails out and take them with me. This way if you get flak from a employee you can show them the email from the manger stating that company policy is "__________".
I have never had to show any employee these emails, but most of the stores you listed like lowes and home depot are firearm friendly according to corporate policy.
October 19th, 2010 12:40 AM
The fact is that generally your race, ethnicity, beliefs, and sex are not something you can change. Whether you are armed or not is. Not to mention that it is private property that you are allowed to enter. They cannot kick you out for certain things such as race but they generally have the right to refuse you service. If they dislike tour attire they can ask you to leave as with your brown shoe example. It's simply a dress code but overall the law allows them to choose whom they will serve and whom they will refuse service to. Isn't freedom great? You can always disarm or go somewhere else of you dislike their policies.
Originally Posted by Blgth43
October 19th, 2010 07:06 AM
Private property, public venue they can pretty much do what they want as long as it does not pertain to race, creed or color.
Google anti gun companies and get started with the boycotts. From medical care to ice cream they are all listed. No more Disney movies for the kids, Can't watch ABC or CNN, no surgery or Dannon yogurt either, cancel your GEICO insurance and throw out your Gateway computer, No more Hallmark cards or eating at the Hard Rock Cafe, No more Levi's and if you work for a union quit now, tell your teens no more MTV, Elementary School is out home school from now on the Principals association is anti gun oh wait no school at all the National Education Association and the PTA are anti gun to, if you are Catholic, Jewish, Church of Christ or eat Sara Lee cheesecake you are supporting anti gun messages and society. No Blockbuster movies or AOL Time Warner and give up movies and music entirely the list is to long to mention.
So who is giving up what to show your support for the 2nd Amendment? No matter what you do on a daily basis you are probably going to support an anti gun business, actor, singer or someone who is anti gun. So where do we start? Oh and by the way no more Slurpee's at 7-11.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013
October 19th, 2010 12:39 PM
So according to BIg....if you go into Walmart and loud and obnoxiously protest walmart..they can't kick you out because of the 1st Amendment?!
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