Anywhere You Think People Should NOT Carry?

Anywhere You Think People Should NOT Carry?

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    Anywhere You Think People Should NOT Carry?

    I find that most open carry types are of the belief that we should be able to carry (openly) just about anywhere.

    It seems that the common reason for this is rooted in the whole "an armed society is a polite society" line of thinking where people will tend commit acts of violence less often when they know that they are very well facing a hard target. Scum prey on the weak and all that.

    All that being said, is there anywhere you think we should all agree that our right to carry should be self-limited?

    I, for one, think that allowing guns into a court room is just plain stupid. It would only be a matter of time before the mafia sends in a suicide shooter to take out a witness who is on the stand.

    Plain and simple, if I knew that the courtroom was full of people carrying guns who were doing so without being screened (as is the case for OCers here in Michigan), I would NOT testify if it was a case where the stakes were high enough to have me pressed into the Witness Protection Program.

    Maybe if they did the testifying by video...but other than that, I'd stand in contempt of court and refuse.

    Any other places where guns don't belong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Expert View Post


    I, for one, think that allowing guns into a court room is just plain stupid. It would only be a matter of time before the mafia sends in a suicide shooter to take out a witness who is on the stand.
    What's to stop this from happening outside the courthouse before they get to the stand?

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    Anywhere that your safety is 100% assured should be a no carry zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Expert View Post
    It seems that the common reason for this is rooted in the whole "an armed society is a polite society" line of thinking where people will tend commit acts of violence less often when they know that they are very well facing a hard target. Scum prey on the weak and all that.
    For me, the point of the exercise is this: To be able to survive until the cavalry arrives, you've got to use what you've got with you ... whether that is effective H2H skills or effective tools.

    I'd love to hope that "an armed society is a polite one," but I am not going to bet my life on it.

    is there anywhere you think we should all agree that our right to carry should be self-limited?
    The only places on the planet that I truly feel don't make much sense to be armed with a firearm are those few places where use of it would cause such outsized destructive damage as to render the original defense irrelevant. For example, in the control room of a nuclear power plant, or down the walkway of a ballistic missile submarine along side the rocket fuel "cannisters" of those bad boys.

    I suppose I also agree that inside a courtroom isn't a sensible place, so long as courtrooms are open to all citizens and criminals are essentially just a gunfight away from tasting freedom. However, I only think keeping firearms out of courtrooms should occur if seriously heavier firepower and manpower existed in each and every courtroom in which citizens were disarmed. This single bailiff crap is insufficient. But there darned well should be a check-in area outside the "secure" zones of the actual courtrooms, at which citizens can temporarily store their defensive firearms while attending court sessions.

    Otherwise, I very strongly believe in the principle that having greater firepower available than the attacker(s) affects one's likelihood of surviving a violent attack. As well, I also very strongly believe that an extremely high incidence of armed citizens should equate to an extremely high likelihood of erasure of criminals within moments after daring to perpetrate violence against innocents. Beyond that short list of limited zones, I don't believe it's in our best interests to disarm upstanding citizens of their defensive weapons. The costs of doing so are, in my opinion, simply too high.

    All in all, we can't possible do much worse than we've been doing, given the ugly combination of (a) criminalizing upstanding citizens for carrying firearms, (b) failing to stop criminals from carrying firearms, and (c) going after whomever is left standing.

    FAR more sensible would be to (a) help all adult citizens acquire and train in the use of defensive firearms, (b) make it extremely difficult to legally press charges unless it can be proved a person cannot have acted defensively, and (c) stopping the turn-style approach to jailing and then releasing violent criminals via eliminating them once and for all once they commit violence against innocents. Do that, and we'd have tens of millions of upstanding citizens acting like it, working in concert with a benevolent group of temporary people elected to administer common services instead of running around looking for new ways to criminalize innocents for merely defending themselves against criminals.
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    No carry zones should be illegal.

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    I carry my ar15 and sidearm into a nuclear power plant's control room almost every day I'm working :)

    I don't think there's anywhere you should surrender your god given right to self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbum View Post
    No carry zones should be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCR View Post
    I carry my ar15 and sidearm into a nuclear power plant's control room almost every day I'm working :)
    That's you, security personnel specifically trained and employed to protect the facility and staff. Anyone else new and "raw" to the facility wouldn't have that info. Not that any such person would be inside with a firearm anyway, untrained, unaware and clueless. The point was simply that places with outsized ramifications beyond any benefits should probably be such "secure" or "off-limits" places.

    Agreed, that the moment we failed to always possess arms and always train everyone alike (from the inception of the republic), it was the beginning of the slippery slope. Had to happen, given how it started to slide from the get-go. Doesn't have to end that way, if we change it.
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    The grave, people shouldn't be allowed to bury their guns with them...a waste of a great tool.IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    The grave, people shouldn't be allowed to bury their guns with them...a waste of a great tool.IMHO


    Beat me to it! I was going to say that I want my kids to have them.
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    I would say government offices, banks, courthouses, airports, hospitals and schools. Nonetheless, they should provide some kind of high security lockers where you can leave your handgun when entering any of these areas and then be able to carry your gun on when leaving them. For example, you may go to testify to the courthouse on a murder case and when you are leaving the courthouse a disgruntled member of the accused could try to attack you. Therefore, this area is critical to be armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alachner View Post
    Nonetheless, they should provide some kind of high security lockers where you can leave your handgun when entering any of these areas and then be able to carry your gun on when leaving them. For example, you may go to testify to the courthouse on a murder case and when you are leaving the courthouse a disgruntled member of the accused could try to attack you. Therefore, this area is critical to be armed.
    I'll buy into that as a compromise, as I doubt that the ideal will ever be politically viable.

    However, here in Virginia we can carry in many government offices, banks, hospitals and schools (other than K-12).
    All the arguments for limiting carry voiced here are exactly the same as those the hoplophobic use for restricting carry in the crazy patchwork quilt of no guns in/on/at "X" -- e.g., airport parking lots, airport terminals, any public building, any public transportation, any venue that charges admission, bars, churches, colleges, concerts, funeral, gun shops, gun shows, libraries, parades, parks, protest, public gathering, public meetings (councils, boards, etc), road side rest areas, schools, sporting events, stadiums, trains, to name a few.

    However, there is no evidence that there is any higher rate of gun related problems in State "a", which allows legal carry in one of these places/events than there is in State "b", which denies legal carry in one of these places/events.

    In addition, those States which have the most of this "but not here" restriction nonsense are the ones where the antis have lost the battle to ban out right or extremely restrict carry and now they are fighting a rear guard action to make it as logistically hard as they can for us to avoid run afoul of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alachner View Post
    I would say government offices, banks, courthouses, airports, hospitals and schools. Nonetheless, they should provide some kind of high security lockers where you can leave your handgun when entering any of these areas and then be able to carry your gun on when leaving them. For example, you may go to testify to the courthouse on a murder case and when you are leaving the courthouse a disgruntled member of the accused could try to attack you. Therefore, this area is critical to be armed.
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