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Huge milestone in Michigan reached

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    Yes, it always amazes me when people ask, "Show me the law that makes it LEGAL".

    Then I have to explain the facts of life to them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    Huge milestone ...
    What milestone? Clarity in the open carry statutes?

    Reading through that document, it seems a fairly sane and rational way to describe the non-criminal nature of seeing a gun in plain view, by itself and without any corroborating criminal circumstances surrounding it (ie, a robbery, erratic/threatening behavior, etc). I can only assume that prior to the changes, upstanding citizens were at severe risk of blatant cuff-and-stuff for little reason other than the gun was in view and people's fears seemingly justified a full retaliatory response by the full weight of the law.

    Great work, Michigan, if such clarity didn't exist before.
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    That reminds me a lot of MPOTEC here in PA...

    http://www.thecrimsonpirate.com/rtkb...pdate_2009.pdf

    Good on Michigan for getting on board.

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    So I can now open carry in a bar? That's what I read it to say, what say everyone else?
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    nothing has "changed" in years

    It's just new info for you and MANY LEO's in Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    nothing has "changed" in years

    It's just new info for you and MANY LEO's in Michigan.
    I talked to a few State Troopers and local LEOs in the past few days, all this was is a reminder to the LEOs of what the Laws are so they can better interact with the public on gun matters. My interaction with Michigan Law Enforcement dealing with concealed carry has been positive. I tell the LEO and we either talk about firearms or yesterday the guy make a comment that he was carrying to when I told him. There are no new laws that I can think of that was put out in that news letter, just MSP re enforcing their officers education on gun laws

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    correct

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    In summary, I think these are the arbitrary restrictions, but I could be totally wrong:

    PHP Code:
    CPL HolderConcealed   CPL HolderOpen   No CPLOpen   Place
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Bank
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Court
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Theater
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Arena
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Hospital
    ...........Y....................Y................N........Licensed Liquor place
    ...........Y....................Y................N........School in a vehicle
                                                              Guardian picking up
    /dropping
                                                              off kids
    ...........Y....................Y................N........School parking lot
                                                              anyone 
    else (MCL 28.425o
                                                              subsection 3
    )
    ...........
    N....................Y................N........School propertyanyone
    ...........N....................Y................N........Day care
    ...........N....................Y................N........Arena/Stadium
    ...........N....................Y................N........Bar/tavern
    ...........N....................Y................N........Place of worship
    ...........N....................Y................N........Entertainmen facility
                                                              seating 
    >2500
    ...........N....................Y................N........Hospital
    ...........N....................Y................N........College dorm
    ...........N....................Y................N........College classroom
    ...........N....................Y................N........Casino
    ...........N....................N................N........Federal buildings (?)
    ...........
    Y....................Y................N........In your car
    ...........Y....................Y................Y........Anywhere not restricted
    ...........N....................? (N?)...........N........Posted restricted areas
    ...........N....................N?...............N........Other restricted
                                                              areas 
    (Airportsetc?)
                                                              

    Out of state CPL holders treated as Michigan CPL holder ONLY
    IF their CPL is issued by their state of residence
    This isn't legal advice or counsel, I'm just trying to wrap my head around it.

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    Thank you so much for this document! It cleared up my confusion on whether or not it was OK to CC in my bank (I have a CPL). I was also not aware of the number of places that a CPL holder is able to open carry. Good to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    The reason it's a milestone is because up till now we that OC would have to "debate" the law with a LEO. And no matter what, they "know better" then us lowly citizens. This ends the debate with local LEO's as it's clarification from their superiors (MSP).

    We've NEEDED this here in Michigan for a very long time.
    Its been around awhile. Its been posted on the MSP webpage, its just hard to find. Im glad this came out in PDF finally.
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