Are cops obligated to respond to a MWAG call?

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    Cops really aren't obligated(for the most part) to even show up if there even is an actual emergency. Some states are different than others, however, and do require some kind of response. The response could be an hour later though.
    A MWAG call would depend on the state or area.
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    Now it was found by the courts that the Police are not obligated to personally protect you. How that is any different from them not responding to a call is beyond me.
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    Yeah, I think you can bet they are going to respond to a man with a gun call no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dripster View Post
    Now it was found by the courts that the Police are not obligated to personally protect you. How that is any different from them not responding to a call is beyond me.
    Because the ruling you are talking about is about protecting an individual. Society as a whole is to be protected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattInFla View Post
    Yeah, they're going to respond to that call every time.
    Maybe in Florida. In parts of Arizona where open carry is relatively common they won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Because the ruling you are talking about is about protecting an individual. Society as a whole is to be protected.
    So AMWAG at a public place is more important than AMWAG at a person's home. At least in the eyes of the courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbiesdad View Post
    So AMWAG at a public place is more important than AMWAG at a person's home. At least in the eyes of the courts.
    No. That is not what was said or implied. Although, it could be true considering the scope of damage depending on location, but thats not what we are talking about here.
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    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Crim...Protection.htm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=1

    http://www.mcrkba.org/w19.html





    Sure seems like the courts have no problem with failure of police to protect individuals. Even if there are three of them in one place. Let's google shall we?

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Warren+vs+DC&l=1

    So how many people need to be at a location before they cease to be individual citizens and become the public?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dripster View Post
    Making that video to prove a point was foolish IMHO, it could have possibly rerouted Cops from another important call to respond to his location for a man with a video camera; calling the Cops on himself trying to make his point. SILLY! Then people wonder why Cops sometimes have attitudes.
    He also had a gun, so it was a legitimate call. Besides, no officers were sent because the dispatcher he spoke to,(Valerie), with had common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbiesdad View Post

    Sure seems like the courts have no problem with failure of police to protect individuals. Even if there are three of them in one place. Let's google shall we?

    Let me google that for you

    So how many people need to be at a location before they cease to be individual citizens and become the public?
    I think the point of my comments and what the case refered to was actually about is going over your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dripster View Post
    Now it was found by the courts that the Police are not obligated to personally protect you. How that is any different from them not responding to a call is beyond me.
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    Because the ruling you are talking about is about protecting an individual. Society as a whole is to be protected.
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    So AMWAG at a public place is more important than AMWAG at a person's home. At least in the eyes of the courts.
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    No. That is not what was said or implied. Although, it could be true considering the scope of damage depending on location, but thats not what we are talking about here.
    Definitely said or implied.
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    As far as the obligation to individuals vs to society in general let me see if I can clarify things a bit.
    Officers were dispatched to the Goff residence for a 9-1-1 disconnect. Officers responded, got no answer to a knock on the door, and saw nothing unusual when they looked in the windows. The next time they responded was several hours later when the killer called back saying that his boss had killed the family there so he had to kill his boss.
    The 9-1-1 disconnect (last I heard) was believed to have been made by the first daughter to return home. If the officers had forced entry to the house on the 9-1-1 disconnect call and arrested the bad guy five people would be alive today.

    As in the D.C. case officers were dispatched and responded for the 9-1-1 disconnect. Upon arrival they saw no visible indication anything was wrong inside the house, so they cleared.
    This is what is required by the obligation to society. Officers responded to the scene and found no visible evidence of any crime.

    Did the officers protect the Goffs or mr. Aldridge? nope. Was the department legally liable for their deaths? Nope.

    The fact is there are litterally millions of 9-1-1 disconnect calls in this country every year. Some are caused by batteries dying in cordless phones, some kids playing with the phone, a great many the cause is never determined. The responding officers did what they were trained to do and did what is an accepted standard in this country for the response to that type of call. If the officers had seen any visible indication of something amiss when they looked in the windows, and still left the scene without investigating further, then yes the surviving family members would have received millions from the taxpayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    As far as the obligation to individuals vs to society in general let me see if I can clarify things a bit.
    Officers were dispatched to the Goff residence for a 9-1-1 disconnect. Officers responded, got no answer to a knock on the door, and saw nothing unusual when they looked in the windows. The next time they responded was several hours later when the killer called back saying that his boss had killed the family there so he had to kill his boss.
    The 9-1-1 disconnect (last I heard) was believed to have been made by the first daughter to return home. If the officers had forced entry to the house on the 9-1-1 disconnect call and arrested the bad guy five people would be alive today.

    As in the D.C. case officers were dispatched and responded for the 9-1-1 disconnect. Upon arrival they saw no visible indication anything was wrong inside the house, so they cleared.This is what is required by the obligation to society. Officers responded to the scene and found no visible evidence of any crime.

    Did the officers protect the Goffs or mr. Aldridge? nope. Was the department legally liable for their deaths? Nope.

    The fact is there are litterally millions of 9-1-1 disconnect calls in this country every year. Some are caused by batteries dying in cordless phones, some kids playing with the phone, a great many the cause is never determined. The responding officers did what they were trained to do and did what is an accepted standard in this country for the response to that type of call. If the officers had seen any visible indication of something amiss when they looked in the windows, and still left the scene without investigating further, then yes the surviving family members would have received millions from the taxpayers.




    Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third women, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed that the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs, they saw that, in fact, the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."
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    But if you read the entire Warren case you will see that officers were dispatched, arrived, FI'd a suspect nearby and knocked on the door of the townhouse while two of the residents were on a roof next door. The call that they did not respond to was the second call placed nine minutes after they had cleared the first call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    But if you read the entire Warren case you will see that officers were dispatched, arrived, FI'd a suspect nearby and knocked on the door of the townhouse while two of the residents were on a roof next door. The call that they did not respond to was the second call placed nine minutes after they had cleared the first call.
    And they were criminally negligent for not responding to the second call. A call being made after they "cleared" the first call should have told them something.
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