This is a discussion on The Logic of 'Open Carry' and LEO's Attitude within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; When i was in Williamsburg Va. a few years ago I asked a LEO about open carry. He said that most officers are OK with ...
When i was in Williamsburg Va. a few years ago I asked a LEO about open carry. He said that most officers are OK with it BUT in a tourist area they have to respond to MWAG call and it would be an inconvenience for all. People from many of the northern states are just shocked to see it.
Coming from NY I know if I saw a handgun on someone then I would assume it was LE or criminal. Sometimes it is difficult to change that perception.
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There're many reasons someone might wish to OC, and I don't have any problem with that at all. I wish every law-abiding citizen carried a gun, and I don't care whether they hide it or not; that's their choice, their option, their right to bear arms as they see fit.
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"Without fear there can be no Courage!"
Now if you walk into one of these pill mills, or pharmacies ..... there will be ten cops there in five seconds. My point is there will be variuos reactions depending upon the place. You carry in a small town with an old time sheriff and the reaction will be different than carrying in an upcale mall with a rookie cop.
The samurai carried two swords, a katana and wakizashi. Sometimes, they substituted a dagger for the short sword. The short blades were meant for indoor use, and for times when the carry of a full length sword was forbidden by decorum. A samurai never left their sword home, ever. Please do your research next time.
Interestingly enough, during the Meiji Restoration, when the rule of Japan came back under the Imperial family, the wearing of swords was banned, and the samurai were abolished. Many took to concealing their swords in walking staffs. The only people allowed to wear swords, or own weapons of any kind, were the Imperial forces. They thought that someone wearing a weapon openly was fearsome, and unseemly, so they banned the ownership of weapons altogether.
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I can't believe some of you advocate the fact the you would rather cater to anti's because of how it makes you look. Do not give in to that opinion or pretty soon you will no longer have firearms. There is a time and a place for everything. But OCing is better than not carrying at all and most people don't notice anyway. It drives me nuts that MWAG are issued in OC states. Criminals don't OC and rarely even use holsters. Let a lone expensive ones like most of us have. We are losing ground daily and its because our own people are giving in to fit in with society. Well Jefferson and his bunch didn't fit in with society in England and thats why they came here and allowed us the rights we have and its our duty to preserve them and not give them up because of how it makes us look in the eyes of the uneducated.
Why OC? Well, let me ramble here a bit about some of the reasons and I do live in Nevada, where OC is legal:
As has been pointed out, being able to legally OC is nice as there is then no fear of being prosecuted for accidentally revealing your gun.
Here in Nevada, each and every cotton pickin' semi-auto that you buy that is different from what is on your card, requires you to go and qualify with it. I work weekends, nights...and have you ever tried to find someone who will qualify you during the week? I tried for almost a year and finally got lucky, got a day off and qualified with the Sig that I had to frequently carry openly because of the law.
Another reason is tied in too the idea that concealed carry is something only bad guys and n'er do wells do. As a result, concealed carry in Nevada is restricted in areas such as the public library and public buildings----but OC is not! So, when going in too the DMV, it's time for the 'Virginia Tuck' and in you go so you don't have to leave your gun in the car, possibly to be stolen.
One thing that I've noticed is that a bunch of OC'ers in town sure acts like a spotlight illuminating the misdeeds and political shenanigans of both the cops and the town fathers. If you want to know whether your political leaders and police really are law abiding individuals who care about both the state and Federal constitution, just try OC'ing around town for while.
OC'ing is also a form of expression and it sure does work to also show which businesses are gun friendly. I, for one, sure don't like having my money go to any business that is going to infringe on my second amendment right. They have the right to post their nasty little 'No Guns' signs, and I have the right to take my business elsewhere---but this often isn't brought out into the open without OC.
And finally, sometimes I just don't have my cover garment (such as coming back from the range when wifey calls and says we need milk) or it's just too darn inconvenient to bother with. Yes, you do get people that occasionally freak out, but that is there problem. Look, I'm a Tea Party guy and I don't think that Tea Parties on April 15th should stop just because they offend the loony left---and ditto for OC.
I remember OC'ing one time into the local Grocery Outlet, where I had carried concealed for over two years. Yep, one of the clerks freaked out about 'why are you carrying that? That things dangerous!!
I looked at her and said 'I've carried concealed in here for the last two years, and there's never been any problems. I'm the same guy, carrying the same gun, I just don't have my cover garment today'. She thought about that for a moment, and remarked that maybe even concealed carry wasn't good, but that she understood what I meant. No cops called, and maybe I got through to her that there are folks carrying around her all the time. Just because I was carrying openly that day didn't automatically turn me into a monster.
I would again ask not to lump all LEO’s into one basket as it relates to supporting or not supporting anything. If that particular Sheriff doesn't support it that does not mean that LEO in general feel the same as him. Thanks
For me I don't care if you OC or not as long as your legal to carry .. I get that the average BG does not open carry and I'm not even going to expound on the there’s always an exception. Which would be more of a mental stability issue than a criminal issue..But again it shouldn’t prevent open legal carry. The more people see weapons in the open the more they are de-sensitized to it. Strap a bazooka to your back and have a good time at the mall…
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I personally feel open carry to be extreme. And I support your right to say what you did. I will never open carry. As I said earlier why do we post in these forums with assumed names and then in the same sentence want to carry a firearm openly.
IMHO some things are better hidden.