This thread has gotten way off topic. Sorry for opening this can of worms.
Florida did not pass OC, but they did successfully revise CC law such that accidental display of a firearm is no longer a misdemeanor. This was an important clarification. As the law now stands (or at least, will stand after signing, which is now a given), a gun owner who is carrying concealed would have to demonstrably threaten with the firearm in order to run afoul of statute.
As I heard testimony live on the radio, one of the bill's sponsors said that an owner carrying concealed might accidentally show the firearm while reaching for a wallet in a check-out line. This is no longer considered "display" as far as the law is concerned. It can no longer generate a "man with a gun" problem.
If a clerk is arguing with a patron, and that person then sweeps their garment back to reveal a handgun - an active of willful display as a threat - that is still a 3-year mandatory stint among our fine men and women of the Florida Correctional System. But if you're bending over to pick something up and you reveal your holstered weapon, no problem.
This strikes me as being very good law and should be emulated elsewhere as needed for clarification. Regarding OC in general, I think that it's fine in places like rural Wyoming, Montana, ranch country like that. Some guy has to drive 50 miles to the nearest diner, a sidearm on the belt is normal, natural, and part of the social landscape.
In a dense urban environment where people worry about psychos, wackos, Virgina Tech shooters, Gabrielle Gifford shooters, nut jobs, punks, muggers, convenience store robbers, strongarm criminals, gangs, MS13, Los Zetas, and so on, people probably don't want to have to deal with fat Joe Mall Ninja with his Glock in a Serpa holster on his wannabe "utility belt" along with his silly crenelated bezel Fenix CREE tactical flashlight. Is this guy legal? Is he preparing to slaughter everybody in sight at JC Penny? So you have to watch him.
Now, Old Jimmy Bob with the Ruger strapped on his hip at Flo's Diner in Utah isn't a problem because everybody knows him, and he's a rancher, and he carries a firearm as a standard tool he needs as part of his daily life. Fat Joe Mall Ninja is welcome to carry concealed, but nobody needs a Second Amendment display and "education" from him. So I see all this as being very location-specific. Support the NRA if you want to ensure your rights.
It all boils down to personal preference. You don't want to OC, that's fine, but please don't challenge my right to do as I please. I'm not hurting anyone, so who cares?
So when you see someone like that speaking on behalf of all gun owners, you can see how the public might think. So when you say your not hurting anyone, by definition your not, but you may be hurting the cause for legal carry.
If you wouldn't DARE use a racial epithet for certain low class criminals of certain ethnicities, why is it considered "acceptable" in polite society to call law abiding people "rednecks", and "white trash"?
Is this that new civility I hear so much about?
Not to derail the thread, I am just tired of the "friendly Fire" about this issue.
I remember years of yammering about CC from the antis that "if you want to do it, open carry."
It is STILL legal to open carry in many places.
A legitimate case for whether or not it is tactically prudent is another issue.
If you want to discuss that, then do so, if you want to call decent people derogatory names, go pound sand!
Actually you just DID say a set of people look like "rednecks".
Would you like to call some urban yoots a bunch of ..... anything?
Bet you wouldn't.
Sorry if it offends you but a huge portion of serious gun rights activists don't wear suits, didn't go to university in the Northeast, and carry their guns proudly, not hide them like a dirty little secret.
We have to STOP acting like a kicked dog, when it comes to defending our rights, and YES, that means pushing people's comfort zone.
OC picnics, and rallys and individuals acting lawfully is not going to arouse the public to support more repressive laws.
Gun control was always funded and powered by a very few with anti-liberty agendas. Gun control has been on a steady slide for 16 years. Even non gun owning people realize that THEY may not want a gun today, but they might need a gun next month.
Every snarky editorial about OC picnics reminds people that it is a lawful activity that THEY can do.
Some people think that how and whether we carry should not be used as a political statement.
EVERYTHING, now, is a political statement!
BTW, I wanted YOUR perception of what a redneck is, since your opinion obviously couldn't match that definition, since MI isn't in the south. When you think redneck, does a buck toothed guy wearing overalls and no shirt, while carrying a shotgun pop into your head? I'm often called a redneck by less educated "city folk" because of my lifestyle. I work hard to run a ranch every day, and a few times a week I'll walk back into the pasture and (in a safe manner) shoot whatever I darn well please. I'm not afraid to get dirty or work hard, and you'll very rarely see me without a gun, whether it be the .30-30 in my truck, or the 9mm on my hip. That doesn't mean that I'm some uneducated hick. I even have some college under my belt, and I just turned 18 last month. That's a lot more than most people can say. I've never liked the term redneck, I prefer country boy. :P As far as perception goes, it's not like I'm dressed like crap while carrying, OC or CC. If people are uncomfortable around a gun, they will be, regardless of who's carrying it. I agree that people should look decent when carrying, regardless of the method, but I DON'T believe someone shouldn't carry because they might upset someone.
The way I see it, if someone has the right to carry, they shouldn't care about what other people think about it. As long as they can do it responsibly, there's no problem. If they want to carry an AR-15 or whatever else they might have, they can have all the fun they want. A right not exercised is a right lost, IMHO.
Oh, and about when I said "Don't challenge my rights." It wasn't directed solely at you. It was directed at anyone that may even slightly think I shouldn't OC. I don't question why people CC, so I sure as heck don't want them questioning why I OC.
I've been called a "red neck" more than once in my life. So let's see what that equates to:
1. Almost 60
2. Raised a family
3. Retired from the military after serving my country for 24 years (in the top 3% of enlisted ranks)
4. Work full time
5. I do like my C&W music
All things considered I guess being a red neck isn't all that bad.
I do OC most of the time. I started when Virginia still required OC in restaurants that served alcohol. Just found it more convenient to leave it that way. I also carry to and from work. It's a hassle to tuck, and un-tuck when I get to a job site, so I leave it open. Of course I'm in an OC friendly state, and have never been hassled about it.
Spidey asked if I saw an african american OCing would that hurt the cause? NO. If I saw a burly man with a biker vest, bandanna and scruffy beard. YES. This is the location that I live in. You just cant go out and say I do not care what others think, that gets us no were. The right should be used, but here we need to put a better foot forward. I think its more of a cultural difference more than anything.