This is a discussion on Philadelphia Police Say They Won't Look the Other Way on Open-Carry Gun Owners within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I foud this on another forum. It's funny, but it's related. A primer. Welcome intrepid traveler/new Philadelphian/shore-bound dawdler, to our fair city. Chances are, you've ...
I foud this on another forum. It's funny, but it's related.
Welcome intrepid traveler/new Philadelphian/shore-bound dawdler, to our fair city.
Chances are, you've heard some bad things about this first-class city. http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/108570-ppd-strikes-again-confiscates-weapon-because-i-refused-conceal.html"]Seriously[/URL] http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/110462-philadelphia-woman-hears-knock-shows-shes-armed-police-confiscate-gun.html"]Really bad[/URL]. Maybe now you're beginning to regret your decision. "They'll take my guns," you think. "I could be SHOT. By CRIMINALS. Or POLICE. Or CRIMINAL POLICE. And then be http://forum.pafoa.org/philadelphia-4/128236-another-flash-mob.html"]FLASH MOBBED[/URL], but not the operatic[/URL] kind[/URL]!"
Yes, we do have some problems. There are (Surprise!) criminals that mar our fair city. And as PA's only 'City of the First Class', there are some additional things you have to keep in mind. But first thing's first! If you're visiting, there's loads to take in. If you're moving here, you're http://forum.pafoa.org/philadelphia-4/101324-philadelphia-county-members.html"]not alone[/URL]. Some of us even like it here. If you're passing through... Sit down, stay a while! We won't bite! (Unless you ask. Nicely. On Delaware Ave. That's what they call 'consensual'. And filthy, you pervert. Ick.)
Now, about those laws. As a "City of the First Class", there are some additional restrictions on carrying in the city. Unlike the rest of Pennsylvania, you need a license to carry in Philadelphia regardless of whether you're doing so concealed or openly. http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/PA/18/II/G/61/A/6108/carrying-firearms-on-public-streets-or-public-property-in-philadelphia/"]18 Pa.C.S. § 6108[/URL] is the relevant statute you need to pay attention to.
Additionally, Philadelphia has http://legislation.phila.gov/attachments/11108.pdf"]attempted[/URL] to close what it terms the 'Florida loophole', and now legally prohibits Pennsylvanians from carrying in Philadelphia with licenses from other states. This is in flagrant violation of the http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/PA/18/II/G/61/A/6120/limitation-on-the-regulation-of-firearms-and-ammunition/"]Uniform Firearms Act[/URL], and would probably not stand up in court. Philadelphia City Council sometimes does stupid, symbolic things. This wastes our tax dollars, but sometimes we prefer they do stupid, symbolic things than things that actually matter like taking on stunning amounts of debt for pet projects performed by blood relations or beating one another up on the council floor[/URL]*.
One more thing. Philadelphia is officially allergic to what it terms 'cutting weapons', as per http://www.phila.gov/philacode/html/_data/title10/CHAPTER_10_800_SAFETY/10_820_Cutting_Weapons_in_Publ.html"]§10-820[/URL]. Technically, this means you shouldn't be carrying a Leatherman, Swiss Army Knife, or http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/133918-what-laws-carrying-knife-philly.html"]flip knife[/URL], unless it is being actively used in your 'trade, profession, or calling'. Practically, people openly carry utility knives in Philadelphia all the time and are never detained, much less fined $300 and imprisoned for 90 days. At worst, it stands a chance of being something you get charged with if you can't be charged with being 'in contempt of cop'.
As a general rule of thumb, you can carry in Philadelphia anywhere it's http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html"]legal to carry in Pennsylvania[/URL]. Don't be surprised if you attract attention from the police if you choose to do so openly.
How to Get a License to Carry Firearms in Philadelphia
You need to go to 990 Spring Garden Street, though the entrance[/URL] is in the back. They're open from 8:30 AM to 2:00 PM, Monday through Friday, except holidays and December 20th through January 3rd. There will very likely be a line, so show up early and take something to read. You will need to take:
- The http://www.phillypolice.com/assets/docs/PPD-Form.Firearm-License-Application.pdf"]application[/URL] filled out in ink, not pencil
- Two completed reference sheets filled out in ink by non family members
- A valid, current Pennsylvania state-issued ID
- One 2inch by 2inch passport photo
- Two proofs of residence such as utility bills and bank statements. No, junkmail or birthday cards don't count.
- A money order for $20, payable to 'The City of Philadelphia'
They will interview you. They may be rude, and they may sit you down and make you wait for 25 minutes while they grab some lunch. They may grill you about unpaid parking tickets (which, in Philadelphia, can constitute reason to deny you a LTCF). As long as you're pleasant and straightforward, you shouldn't run into any problems. They will fingerprint you. This is very likely also a violation of the UFA.
Things to Do
Alright, I'll be honest. All those links up there? The ones about grandmothers having their guns and licenses taken away, about unnecessary detainment, about dirty cops selling heroine, and about opera singers wantonly bursting out into song without warning or provocation? That was just to scare people away. Even now, people who read no further than the "PPD Strikes Again" link are angrily mashing the "Reply Now" button to froth at the keyboard about how much Philthadelphia stinks** and you'll never catch them dead here.
That's okay, gentle reader. That leaves more for us.
Yes, all those things are stupid. Yes, bad things happen, and they're easier to hear about in a big city than in a small town. But you don't http://gallery.andrewshemo.com/firearm-activism/open-carry-rally-in-philadelphia/572215"]change things[/URL] by avoiding them entirely, and Philadelphia has a lot to offer.
Places it's okay to carry:
- Academy of Music
- Academy of Natural Sciences
- Art Museum
- Eastern State Penitentiary
- Franklin Institute
- Franklin Square
- Kimmel Center
- Mutter Museum
- Please Touch Museum
- Rittenhouse Square
- Race Street Pier Park
- Schuylkill River park & trail
- The Zoo
Places that you need to check your firearm.
- Philadelphia courts
- http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-carry-145/112215-my-citizens-bank-park-phillies-firearms-check-encounter-tonight-w-ppd-9-22-10-a.html"]Phillies games[/URL])
- http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/122796-carrying-wells-fargo-center.html"]Flyers & 76ers games [/URL]
Places you probably shouldn't carry:
- http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-carry-145/97410-cops-called-after-i-checked-my-firearm-emergency-room.html"]Hospitals might be troublesome[/URL]
Places to Eat & Drink
There are a LOT of places to eat in Philadelphia. Here's a select few:
- Just about anywhere in 'http://www.phillymag.com/restaurants/the_philly_mag_50/index.html"]Top 50[/URL]'
- Reading Terminal Market (Especially DiNics, and get a cannoli at Termini Brothers). Also good for getting fruits, vegetables, cheese, and meat.
- Picanha (all you can eat, BYOB, better and cheaper than Fogo de Chao)
- Eulogy (gigantic Belgian beer selection)
- Monk's (big Belgian beer selection, great mussels)
- Paesano's (great sandwiches)
- Lorenzo & Son's on South Street (cheap pizza by the slice)
- Franklin Fountain (Fantastic ice cream)
- Italian Market. Get here early enough on the weekends and you can get plenty of good fruits, vegetables, cheeses, meat, and fresh pasta.
- Tiffin (Indian)
- La Veracruzana (Cheap, authentic Mexican food. Maybe more authentic than you're angling for)
Driving isn't your only option. Philadelphia is very walking-friendly, cycling friendly, and the remainder can be filled in by SEPTA. It's not always reliable, but it's often better than parking.
http://www.google.com/transit"]Google Transit[/URL] can usually figure out what routes you need to take. Fares are $2 if you pay as you get on (and make sure and carry exact change, SEPTA employees often won't make change for you) or $1.55 if you get tokens. Tokens are available at major stations such as 30th Street, Suburban Station, and Market East, as well as some vendors around the city. A complete list can be found http://www.septa.org/sales/"]here[/URL]. You can also get an unlimited ride passes for http://www.septa.org/fares/pass/independence.html"]individuals and families[/URL].
I'll update this post as other things come up. Feel free to reply with suggestions. Philadelphia bashers, keep it constructive. Enjoy!
* For the record, we elected the winner of that fight mayor. See, survival of the fittest! You like that, right?
** For the record, that funny smell is New Jersey.
I'm sorry but the officer(tongue firmly in cheek) was wrong from the word go. I would have simple ignored him. My name isn't Junior. There is no reason in the world why I should be expected to respond to it. "Excuse me Sir" or even just "excuse me" would get the job done. Hell, "Hey Bub" is more acceptable than "Junior" called out in an obviously antagonistic voice.
A 1911 is Not an obsession, it's simply a recognition that it's THE Gun. :-) All others are runner ups. And hey, if all else fails, aim for the nose and fling it to knock out your foe. Let's see y'all do that with a kel-Tec. ;-)
"I've noticed that everyone that is pro-abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
You are only paranoid until you are right - then you are a visionary.
I think the Philly Police may end up paying a lot of money to gun owners unless they change their attitude.
-The Mist (2007)"My God David, We're a Civilized society."
"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
When the citizens of any state joke about and tolerate illegal behavior by police who are entrusted to keep us safe, I think it prudent to ask the question, who's going to keep us safe from the police? Since when did we become a society who pick and choose which laws they will obey and which they will ignore? Since when did police place themselves above the law? Perhaps they've been taking a page from the play book of Congress and the POTUS or can we all just say, if it isn't the law, it should be!
"Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
I personally would not open carry, but if i did i would have no problem showing a police officer my ccw license if asked, but i would not lay on the ground for any reason especially if i have not broken any laws.
I will also admit that the civilian knew that sooner or later this was going to happen and he is obviously pushing the issue in order to either get it into the news or a court room, so in effect he got was he was after. Should he have to do this, not really, but he made a concious decsion, and wsa prepared for the outcome, re the running tape recorder.
Is he a gun rights hero or an agitator? Thats what history books are for.
Just wondering if there is an update, I couldn't find anything online with a quick search, but I would be very interested in finding out how this turns out. Listening to the tape, I find it hard to believe that police would treat or interact with people by calling them junior, very rude.