Open Carry "works".

This is a discussion on Open Carry "works". within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I open carrry pretty much every where I go. That certainly is true at home and in the neighborhood. All my neighbors know I carry ...

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    Open Carry "works".

    I open carrry pretty much every where I go. That certainly is true at home and in the neighborhood. All my neighbors know I carry and no one bats an eye anymore. This is a little story that I shared on another board.

    I have been taking walks in the evening after putting my girls to bed. It is usually around 10 pm or so. I just walk around the neighborhood, taking in the tornado damage (Minneapolis, MN) and now, the repairs that are ongoing. I seldom see people out, other than those sitting on their stoop or in the yard, and even those are few and far between at that hour.

    Tonight I was out walking a bit later than normal so I was walking in the street rather than the sidewalk to avoid the spider webs that hang from the trees. As I was walking, I noticed a couple of gentleman walking toward me about 2 blocks away. I was on the right side of the street and they were on the left side and on the sidewalk. As we neared each other, they moved into the street. Of course, my interest in their movements was already at a high level, this prompted condition dark orange. I neared the corner first, which was illuminated, and began to turn to the right, thus exposing my carried pistol, black against a white shirt. They had further moved in my direction when one of them stopped and stopped his buddy and said, he thought quietly, "Oh ****, man, thats the dude who carries a pistol all the time. The other guy turned his head and said something I could not understand. Then they both looked at me.

    They were about 30 yards away now, so I stopped just behind a parked car and said in a somewhat authoritative voice, "You are correct. I am the dude who always carries a pistol. You gentleman have a good night and stay out of trouble." Then turned and walked home. They stood there for a minute and then walked the opposite way.

    It really was a lovely night for a walk.

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    dark orange?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    dark orange?
    Sort of a 'Deep Carrot Orange', perhaps? But not quite 'Burnt Umber'...

    I urban OC'd for the first time last night and did not change colors.

    OP, is there a town crier? "Ten o'clock, and all is well..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    dark orange?
    Quote Originally Posted by stanislaskasava View Post
    Sort of a 'Deep Carrot Orange', perhaps? But not quite 'Burnt Umber'...
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    I took meds once that had that effect. The infection went away and so did the dark orange.
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    Years ago (too many), when I got my first CCW, after work I would stop at the ATM in a sort of seedy part of town because it was slightly more convenient than the safer ATM near my house. I figured "What the heck", I've got fire power now. I was new to the CCW arena and I felt a sense of power. Shortly thereafter I was reading some advice on one of the sites (may have been the old packin.org), from an older, wiser gentleman that said "Don't go to places or do things with your firearm that you wouldn't do if you weren't armed". That advice got me thinking about the reasons I carried in the first place. I realized that there is a fine line between wanting to be prepared and wanting to feel powerful.
    I guess what I'm saying is....would you take a stroll around your neighborhood after 10pm and engage a couple of shady looking strangers if you weren't armed?
    I don't know how old you are or how long you've been carrying, I'm just saying......I've kind of been there and done that and know now that it wasn't one of the smartest things I've ever done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    I took meds once that had that effect. The infection went away and so did the dark orange.
    Well if you stop watch porn while eatting Cheetos that orange thing will stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moby clarke View Post
    They were about 30 yards away now, so I stopped just behind a parked car and said in a somewhat authoritative voice, "You are correct. I am the dude who always carries a pistol. You gentleman have a good night and stay out of trouble." Then turned and walked home. They stood there for a minute and then walked the opposite way.
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    An interesting story. As you probably know I am a proponent of open-carry. However, I'm curious if there is a possibility that these two gentlemen were simply taking a walk or engaging in some other benign activity? Perhaps they were simply startled by your pistol and felt afraid of it, especially on a dark night? In either case, your response was probably a very good one because it works well regardless of their motive.

    I wish I could open carry in Texas. I sort of ran into a similar situation last night. I needed to go to Wal-Mart but I needed to mow the lawn. When I got done mowing, I was exhausted (it was 102 degrees yesterday) and so I had to take a shower and rest up for a little while. When I finally got to the store, it was much later than I usually go to the store. When I was pushing my shopping cart out to my car, I noticed a rather thuggy looking guy standing between two SUV's sort of watching people go by. I couldn't figure out exactly what his motive was. He didn't see me at first because he was watching people go the other direction. I finally made eye contact with him and as soon as he realized I was looking at him, he looked away to pretend that he did not see me, then put his hands in his pocket and started pacing real non-nonchalantly. I suspect he was up to something, but I had no real evidence so just kept walking. It would have been nice to have my gun visible to him. It might have made him re-consider if he was planning to commit some crimes that night, whether it be breaking into some cars, or robbing somebody.

    That advice got me thinking about the reasons I carried in the first place. I realized that there is a fine line between wanting to be prepared and wanting to feel powerful.
    Yes, I've had to stop myself many times. For example, when there is some punk, usually (but not always) of African-American decent, driving through a parking lot with his stereo deafening everyone in the parking lot with lyrics that should be rated R or even X, sometimes even causing car alarms to go off due to the vibration - I have been very tempted to give those people a piece of my mind. After all, if it wasn't obvious to them that their behavior is not considered cool by 99% of the population, maybe if more people protested about it, they'd be more considerate? But I also realize these type of people are likely to become aggressive in their response. So despite having my firearm, I still have to bite my lip and hope a police officer comes by and tickets them.

    On the other hand - sometimes I wish citizens in general would be more aggressive towards crime. Today if somebody sees somebody breaking into a car, then tend to walk the other way and pretend they didn't see it. Nobody wants to "get involved." I'm guilty of it too. Usually my goal is to go to the store, get what I need, and get home in one piece. Usually I'm tired and I don't feel like messing with it. If I can avoid a confrontation, I will. But unfortunately, this attitude is what has allowed society to get as low as it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    "Don't go to places or do things with your firearm that you wouldn't do if you weren't armed". !
    The day that I must fear my neighborhood is a pretty sad day. Being armed is almost a necessity in today's world...wallet, watch, keys, phone, and gun.
    I'm just sayin'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    ...would you take a stroll around your neighborhood after 10pm and engage a couple of shady looking strangers if you weren't armed?
    My thoughts (in many statements here) exactly. If one wasn't armed, what action would have been different? Sounds a little too much like a boastful "I'm armed and dangerous" declaration to me. (Refering to the OP's comment to the two guys.)

    Perhaps--just perhaps--instead of two potential BGs realizing they may be taking on the wrong victim, maybe it was just two guys thinking they'd run into the neighborhood weirdo who packs a gun everywhere he goes. Could that be the other side of the coin?
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    Agree with Old Vet. My firearm is the last thing on my mind, and the very last choice for use in a defensive scenario where no other weapon has been introduced.

    As of recently, my fists still speak well on my behalf when called upon.
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    I can tell already that this thread is going to be extremely beneficial to DefensiveCarry.com.
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    I'm certainly glad one of their blind side buddies didn't get the drop on you so they could add to their gun collection. I'm sure you know the MN permit allows you to carry a long gun in public, too. I suppose if I'm going to OC in Murderapolis, it'll be with my AR10 or slug shottie. Double bandoliers ought to pick up the street light better. It's nice you've aclimated the neighbors, and they feel comfortable with OC, but I would prolly avoid the north side, OC or CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    However, I'm curious if there is a possibility that these two gentlemen were simply taking a walk or engaging in some other benign activity? Perhaps they were simply startled by your pistol and felt afraid of it, especially on a dark night?
    I agree with this. I'd have just given them a "Howdy" and seen where it went. The line you gave them sounds very practiced, and almost like a wanna-be superhero, if I may be honest. If they were thugs, they now know what you look like and where you like to walk, they know where you carry your gun and they know that you think you're some kind of neighborhood protector. They may decide they don't like you. If they were just regular folk, they now think you're pretty much a loon.
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