This is a discussion on Why why why within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Dennis1209 It is legal here in Tennessee to OC also. Other than the range or gun shop, I have yet to see ...
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I applaud you for OC'ing. My husband occasionally open carries and we've had no issues with it so far.
In Virginia, we have an organization called VCDL (Virginia Citizen's Defense League) so I looked online for a similar group for Minnesota. My search brought me to GOCRA (MN Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance), and I suggest joining them. See if any of the members meet near your area and seek their advice too. They may have a list of gun friendly lawyers you can speak to about your situation and see if any legal action should be taken.
im also an active member of Opencarry.org and to my knowledge like ive stated, i feel like im the only one in the city that ocs. ive never seen it and ive asked a billion times. seems like oc.org has no one interested. as to the point of being in the front of a movement, i take the challange ill stand as long as i can to promote OC but thers nobody to stand with me that i can find in the twin cities..everyone brags about being a OCer but i cant find a single one... there is no way to logically "fight" the system though. the police just wont have it and the citizens are morons.
to respond to those who said "asssuming everything i said was factual" it is VERY factual, im a well dressed polite guy and most of the time im with my 7 month old son laughing and being super dad, so i dont look crazy or threatening with my gun.
thanks for the replys, i guess theres no right answer but i do greatly appreciate the input. aside from sueing the cops which will just cause more stink. on to the next problem i guess...diaper duty to the lil guy!
I wouldn't suggest you get into a gun fight while holding your child. Of course your first priority should be to get your family out of whatever situation you are in. With that said an unbuttoned oxford type shirt shouldn't make it and more difficult to access your weapon with one hand, you flip it out of the way and grab your weapon.
"I got a lot of problems with you people!" - Frank Costanza
Last edited by JD; July 10th, 2011 at 08:20 PM. Reason: merged
And please don't comment on my experiences since you have no idea what I've been through.
"I got a lot of problems with you people!" - Frank Costanza
I even did a video on carrying a gun and a baby for people who are new to carrying with a child:
However, for me, the unwanted attention and lack of surprise out-weigh the risk of not getting to my gun on time. A bad guy who sees your gun knows it might be coming and even if he doesn't go for it he could better position himself to stuff or fumble a draw. Being able to draw and fire before someone even knows it's there or while distracted, etc, could be much better in the long run than having uninhibited access.
Of course that's all speculation and there will never be any evidence to actually support that but it's something you could try in Force-on-Force.
If someone is intent on attacking you and they know you are armed you are fooling yourself if you think they aren't going to try to minimize your ability to get to that gun.
In cases such as this, there's only so much you can say. Rain don't penetrate hard sloped ground. Sometimes ya just gotta let experience do it's work, or, nature take it's course .
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
Of course I would only fire my gun without hearing protection on myself or my child if there was absolutely no other option. My life and the life of my child trumps our hearing. If I had the presence of mind to protect his ears I would do it but I'll probably be far more occupied with keeping his hands and arms and self away from the muzzle than with his ears.
This is all in the event of an emergency, mind you. I would never shoot this way at the range or for fun. It's just the best way I have found to carry a gun with a baby and have the best control of both my firearm and my child. I can quickly and easily access my gun without jeopardizing my child.
It isn't the LEO you should be upset with. It's the liberal anti-gun open-mouthed breather placing the MWAG call. Flip side, it isn't you the LEO should be upset with, they should be upset with the liberal anti-gun open-mouthed breather that placed the MWAG call. Someone said it earlier and I agree, the dispatchers should be required to ask more questions on MWAG calls.
911, what's your emergency?
I'll ask you again, what's ur emergency?
"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." - Leonardo da Vinci
I think this is more an issue with Dispatchers not asking the right questions ...... and not giving the Officers enough info.
Questions like :
Ma'am, carrying a gun in itself is LEGAL, so is there anything else going on ?
Ok, they have a gun, are they pointing at anyone or threatening them with it.
Have they threatened to shoot anyone with it ?
Or, are do they just have a gun holstered on their body and that concerns you ?
Well, if they do something other than have it in a holster on their side, then give us a call and we'll check into it.
Dispatcher, or Police depts concern over someone open carrying, doesn't mean it's a legitimate concern nor one grounded in real life. They really don't have to coddle the sheep.
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If that is your reason for open carrying, I think you need to re-evaluate your training and your tactics. Honestly if I was a criminal and you were open carrying with a child in your hand, and I absolutely had to rob you, I would evaluate the situation, and I would take that as a sure sign that I can disarm you before you know what is going on because you are going to be preoccupied with trying to protect your child and not trying to stop me from taking your weapon. That is just me. That layer of cotton means nothing if you train properly. Grey man, discretion = surprise.