This is a discussion on Contact with raging OC'er today! within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SIXTO Well, it happened... Old Sixto got the man with gun call, only to find a OC'er with a chip on the ...
If you were responding officially to a complaint and he was carrying openly on foot in a public area
why did you not run a "wants and warrants" on him?
Merely visually checking his DL OR EVEN his LTCF does not determine if he can legally possess a firearm at that moment.
If you don't check for a record why even bother looking at his ID ?
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"If I walk in the woods, I feel much more comfortable carrying a gun. What if you meet a bear in the woods that's going to attack you? You shoot it."
At risk of having my seat on the bandwagon revoked, this OCer's 'raging' behavior could have been a result of previous interactions with LEOs who weren't as professional or courteous as Sixto.
To be honest, I do not know one person who OC's, so I'm unfamiliar with any first hand perspective of an OC-er's thinking, mindset and (especially) attitude about OC, besides what I've read. I realize this particular OC-er is only one data point in the OC world, but is there an (not so) underlying attitude or wish by OC-ers, whereby, they "want" to get stopped by John Law just so they can prove their (OC) point and brag about it to their fellow OC-ers?
This is probably a difficult question to answer by many, if not most of you, unless you've done a statistically-proven poll of OC-ers. But I value the opinion of many of you, especially those who have come in contact with OC-ers. I guess what I'm really asking is what makes them tick?
OC has a pretty strong following in VA, and other OCers I have the chance to associate with have a nearly identical mindset as the above, the largest variant are those who are pushing for constitutional carry and refuse to submit to the CC permit process, therefore OC by legal default.
I've found heavy bias on both sides of the OC/CC discussion as many have. If we as gun owners focused our efforts on expanding the natural right of self defense, I feel we would appear as a more cohesive group and could potentially achieve more, faster.
1st Amendment Rights!!!! Really???? What an idiot.
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Who can really say what was going through this character's (the "raging OC'er") head? Without hearing his side of the story we'll never know with 100% certainty, but as someone who frequently open carries I can only hope that he was just having a bad day and is not out there walking around with a pistol on his hip and a chip on his shoulder looking to have a confrontation with the first LEO he bumps into.Personal preference is my primary reason to OC as well but I have recently come to the conclusion that educating the public at large is not only an unintended consequence but a welcome opportunity.Originally Posted by EpiYou hit the nail on the head with that one Epi. When I see attacks being made between the die hard supporters of the OC- or CC-only crowds I am dumbfounded. To make matters worse, some of these people even use tactics that would make anti-gunners proud.Originally Posted by Epi
“Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands.”
- Col. Jeff Cooper
It's terribly saddening, same goal, bashing each other while on the same road to it.You hit the nail on the head with that one Epi. When I see attacks being made between the die hard supporters of the OC- or CC-only crowds I am dumbfounded. To make matters worse, some of these people even use tactics that would make anti-gunners proud.