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    I have a responsable 18 yr old daughter. She knows gun saftey, but travels quite a bit. shpould she carry her weapon when traveling alone. I think she should, but I am just asking for opinions.

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    Uhh.. I think we need more info, such as the laws of your state. Do they allow this, especially for an 18 year old?
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    Most states allow possession of pistols, but as far as I know, most of them don't allow carry outside the home. This might only be relevant in your state for concealed carry though... Like adric22 says, first identify the laws in your state.

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    If it's legal, she should do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    If it's legal, she should do it!
    Well... first she needs to sit down and really think about the responsibility of using deadly force to defend herself. This isn't one of those "I'm your father and I say!" moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    If it's legal, she should do it!
    Correction!

    If it's legal and IF SHE DECIDES SHE'S READY FOR IT, she should do it.

    Carrying a gun is about being ready to take a life if need be. That is a huge decision and responsibility that should not be taken lightly. If she understands the responsibilities of life and death IN ADDITION to the responsibilities of safety with a firearm and she is willing to take those upon herself (not just because Daddy wants her to either) then I think she is ready.

    A gun in the hands of someone unable or unwilling to use it can be just as bad (or worse) than no gun at all.

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    I don't think that she can conceal carry while under 21.
    FWIW my son just turned 21 and is getting his permit to carry however I am urging him not to carry, it's a maturity thing I am concerned about

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    +1 what limatunes said.

    On one hand, there are people who are as young as your daughter is, fighting (with loaded weapons!) in our wars. On the other hand, if she is like the "majority" of 18 yr olds I know and have known, I'd say "no way". She must be an exceptionally mature and competent person for you to consider her to carry a weapon.

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    *if it's legal in the place or places your daughter will be* and concealed carry is not an option for whatever reason, glove box carry may be a good alternative that way it's there if she needs it but not constantly digging into her side.

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    She should carry if she is mature enough to understand and handle the responsibilities of CC'ing.

    I once seen an e-mail floating around about this.

    It went something like this...

    It showed a map with your Daughter, a Rapist that is around the block, and the nearest Policeman which happens to be many, many blocks away. Then it simply showed three pictures. One of a condom, one of a cell phone , and one of a handgun. Then it asks which one do you think would best protect her?

    If you don't know my answer you haven't read any of my posts.
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    I Just took the KY ccdw class this past Saturday and I'm certain that the minimum age to obtain a permit is 21. Glove box carry and as of July, according to my instructor, center console carry in a vehicle are both legal without a permit for those over 18. Open carry is also legal but I suspect that is a route she is unlikely to take.

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    Concealed carry is legal in Indiana under 21
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    A gun in the hands of someone unable or unwilling to use it can be just as bad (or worse) than no gun at all.
    Though I'm not really disputing this comment, I guess I don't understand how that is worse than no gun at all.

    I don't know if I can shoot someone in cold blood - who does until faced with a no-win scenario. So, how is it worse or as bad as no gun at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenderpig View Post
    I have a responsable 18 yr old daughter. She knows gun saftey, but travels quite a bit. shpould she carry her weapon when traveling alone. I think she should, but I am just asking for opinions.
    I also have a daughter that is responsible and knows gun safety. (all of my kids do) But gun safety isn't going to be everything for her to consider. The gun too isn't all she is going to have to consider, caliber, capacity, size, on and on.

    Equally important to her are also going to be laws. Not only laws around her city / town, but laws in the places that she is going to be traveling to, as you stated above.

    Another thing that she will have to consider and come to realize is retention and wardrobe. (if she's going to carry on her person) Cheap is usually not a good thing and this is an area where everyone has their own preference and style.

    You pose a very broad question that hints of a parent wanting to be protective of their daughter but if she wants to do this, she is going to have to be serious about it. She will have to be the one that is interested and take on the full responsibility of carrying something that can end someone's life yet save her own.

    There is a lot more to carrying a firearm for self-preservation than just "knowing gun safety." Knowing gun safety is something that all beginners ought to know the first time they go to a controlled environment at a shooting range or even if they were to simply pick up a firearm. Carrying for personal protection is something that should weigh hevily on someone and something that they should give a whole lot of thought to as it is a responsibility that can either save or ruin your life.

    So even if she can't carry where she lives now but is seriously thinking about it, I would recommend a lot of research on her part and to seek professional instruction and range time to remain proficient. That's just a couple of my thoughts but like others have said, the level of benefit to her in carrying is going to all be up to her and how seriously she takes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerJ View Post
    Though I'm not really disputing this comment, I guess I don't understand how that is worse than no gun at all.

    I don't know if I can shoot someone in cold blood - who does until faced with a no-win scenario. So, how is it worse or as bad as no gun at all?
    Not to answer for limatunes, but I very much agree with her point...Recently, there was a convenience store that got held up, the clerk pulled a gun and shot the robber. Then he proceeded to stand over the robber and shot him one more time killing him, that clerk is now serving a life sentence for murder. One half second misuse can bring about a lifetime of trouble. Use it in a situation that's legally justified, yet there is a crowd around, take a mother or father or child's life by accident; and even if not legally responsible for a crime, there is a mental toll that you'll carry with you every single day of the rest of your life. Freshman year in college carries a statistically high suicide rate, at that age, there is still mental development taking place and physical changes taking place in the brain, to where there are often long term solutions to short term problems.

    Knowing the 4 rules and to use a good holster and you can and can't carry here, is a start; but there is far more weight on your hip than that of the gun. There's some people who aren't appreciative of that weight, or are unaware, or just hadn't taken the time to place that thought; gun ownership is not something to be taken lightly nor is carrying.

    This is the Open Carry forum, so I'll place my response in that paradigm. Aside from concerns already raised in the thread, about maturity and it being her decision, and as it will be legally, her responsibility to accept. Being an 18 year old female generally tends to attract a fair bit of social attention, is she prepared to handle that extra attention? OCing, is she of the preparedness that should she need to use it that she will be prepared and capable? Is she prepared to handle the immediate aftermath? These aren't just things to ask her but she needs to reflect upon herself; also you need to consider what the laws are in KY, and if you as being the person over 21, are possibly responsible for her firearm possession and consequently possible use and possible misuse thereof; in some states that's how it works and I am not familiar with KY law.

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