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This is a discussion on San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; T-minus months until they pass a CA law banning this as well.......

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    T-minus months until they pass a CA law banning this as well....


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    It's ok you can disagree :)

    The citizens of California have proven they're unable to elect representatives interested in upholding the Constitution. This is far beyond what a vote can address and public opinion is irrelevant now (just as it was before the OC handgun BS). This is going to take a federal ruling.

    There comes a time when people need to stand up for what they believe despite the "wisdom" passed on by those who feel OC is simply for poking with a stick. Ohio and Wisconsin are two prime examples of the Open Carry Movement bringing the Second Amendment to dinner table discussion and more importantly to the legislature for review. California's Legislative Branch of full of monkeys and most anyone could foresee this sort of outcome. The bigger picture, in my opinion, is the federal judicial assistance (oxymoron?) needed for California to move in the right direction with a DC v Heller or McDonald v Chicago type ruling.

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    So if everyone knew that the legislature was full of monkeys and the movement was due to fail so let's do it anyway?

    I know this car is defective and the tire is coming off at 90 miles an hour but lets drive 100 MPH and see what happens.

    What kind of mentality is that?

    As I stated the non gun toting people are the ones who will decide who is in office, what laws are passed and so on not us so the effort must start with getting new officials elected or get it from a higher authority but in the meantime events like this do not further a damn thing, they again fire up the non gun toting crowd and you wont get anywhere.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    As I stated the non gun toting people are the ones who will decide who is in office, what laws are passed and so on not us so the effort must start with getting new officials elected or get it from a higher authority...
    You're kidding yourself if you believe Californians can attack this issue through changing their elected officials. The political leanings of The People prohibit that from being a reality. It must be forced through the courts and at a federal level.

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    Open carry without a loaded magazine , might as well tell everyone I got nothing on me, want my gun too! How stupid , anyone walking around unloaded needs to get an ass whoopin and for there gun to be taken away! I thought it was funny how Diane Fienbergerstien got her concealed license , she went to the next county over and they issued it without cause , now if you or i did that ,they would have said go back to your county!! Hipocrate!!

    Look the only way California will get better is for you to leave that godforsaken place!
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    Californian gun proponents need to be quiet, work behind the scenes promoting firearm friendly politicians and getting them voted into office. Grandstanding in that stupid state to "exercise your rights" just ends up in the backward anti politicians in Suckramento passing more feel good legislation further squashing your rights..... work behind the scenes in the form of lawsuits against these laws, getting politicians and sheriffs elected that are 2d amendment friendly..... get these morons out of office and get these laws legally repealed.... grandstanding in states like IL, NY, NJ, CA.... etc just ends up in more knee jerk legislation.
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    Ok so you cant fix it by trying to get new leaders, you have to fix it in the courts. So running around with an unloaded rifle is going to prove what?
    Do you not think the members of the court watch youtube or the evening news? Is this really the message they want to send?
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Ok so you cant fix it by trying to get new leaders, you have to fix it in the courts. So running around with an unloaded rifle is going to prove what?
    Do you not think the members of the court watch youtube or the evening news? Is this really the message they want to send?
    Have you kept up with the process? The CA SC held that the 2A was not infringed in CA because they were allowed to unloaded OC. They were going for shall issue CC though. If the legislature had not banned OC, they would have no real argument in the lawsuit on a state level. Now, the courts will have to rethink the entire issue. They are a may issue CC state with no ability to carry a handgun outside of the may issue process, but previously they had UOC without a permit. My guess is, they knew exactly how silly UOC was but it needed to be moved aside so that it could not be used as an excuse to continue to infringe on their rights.

    Probably, the best thing that could happen would be for the legislature to lock carry down entirely. Then let the courts toss the whole mess out and start over.

    You can blame the voters, or the legislators, even the media; but blaming the gun owners who are fighting this battle is counterproductive. They had two options, status quo or push the issue. The lawsuit proved that status quo was not the road to shall issue carry.
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    Chief. No I haven't kept up with the issue other than on here or the youtube videos that everyone has access to, due to my location and job I have bigger fish to fry.

    This does kinda work into my train of thought though. I am a large scale gun owner and want to see rights furthered and folks be allowed to carry and so on. If I watch and see the videos and news reports on the "Movement" and consider some of them silly, unwarranted and just plain stupid what do you think the non gun folks see?

    As has been stated lay low, file the suits, keep off the radar and get stuff done. All things like this do is remind the monkeys in office "Oh hey we forgot to ban something". With things like this going on they should start a pool as to not if, but when it gets banned. I bet between me and azchevy we would win a portion of it.

    I would love to see them have the rights other states have but to me they are doing it in the wrong way. Like I posted months ago I stated that they wanted attention and wanted the government to take action and it could bite them in the butt by the way they were doing it, well guess what it did so now they are doing the same thing with long guns.

    When all is said and done either by court decision or other means I hope they get what they want I do not however believe drawing attention to yourself at this time is the way to go.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    As has been stated lay low, file the suits, keep off the radar and get stuff done.
    Well, that has failed once. Maybe SCOTUS would overturn it, but probably no one else if everything in the state stayed the same. Now, maybe they can get a positive decision without going all the way to SCOTUS. That would be the best outcome here.

    I hear you talking about the more confrontational videos. Some of them I don't even agree with, mainly where folks are just looking for a problem. But the one's that are out there doing what they legally can I don't mind. And if you are relying on news, my assumption is that they intend to paint them in a bad light regardless.

    They wanted change, they got it. Sometimes change comes in fits and spurts. And sometimes a step back ends up leading to a big step forward. If they can get the lower court decisions changed in light of the new legislation, it will become a big step forward instead of a defeat. The appeal is in the works BTW.
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    I really hope it works out for them, just saying they did the "Lets show them" thing and it did not work. You would think they would try a different tactic but Power to the people and all that. Good luck
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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