San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event

San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event

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    San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event



    San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event Damp Squib

    Posted on October 23, 2011 by Robert Farago
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    “The intent was to raise awareness of the legal right of Californians to carry unloaded rifles and shotguns in public,” sfgate.com reports. Well, the media did cover it. That counts for something right? “The venue was a corner of the parking lot of Bayfair Center. And while mall management roped off 165 spaces to accommodate the rally, no more than 30 opponents of gun-control laws stopped by the midday event.” So was the San Leandro long gun open carry rally a good idea or not? I’m thinking . . . not. The main problem? This is not the normalization you’re looking for . . .

    Full story: San Leandro Long Gun Open Carry Event Damp Squib | The Truth About Guns

    OK, I'm all about the right to carry to protect your self and family but.....
    Why would you want to carry an unloaded gun?


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    Because CA is a may issue state where not everyone can get a permit, for those that did not have the option of carrying concealed, there was the ability to open carry an empty pistol, that ability has been quashed and now citizens are only able to OC rifles (apparently), this is to garner attention to the sorry state of CA's gun rights.

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    OK, I'm all about the right to carry to protect your self and family but.....
    Why would you want to carry an unloaded gun?
    Well, In Cali, you used to be able to openly carry an unloaded side arm.. no more. You could also carry a loaded mag. It was sometimes called the 2 second rule. I would imagine that since they didn't legislate against open carry of long guns, the carriers can carry a loaded mag, same 2 seconds.

    But these Californians (rallying) have merely brought the long gun loophole into public view... so, next chance they get, Cali legislature will "fix" their previous oversight. And, in the end, hunters probably won't even be able to carry a loaded weapon...

    Sigh.

    Stupid Californians.
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    Ok, I understand the politics.
    But, how does an unloaded gun protect you and your family from danger?
    It seems to me that its just to show off. And it freaks the public out even more then they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JXONE View Post
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    But, how does an unloaded gun protect you and your family from danger?
    Simple, In Cali... SA must border on the psychic (some have become psychics as a sideline. That's where all the psychic hotlines originate)... You used to have 2 seconds to insert mag and rack slide in a handgun, to protect yourself and your loved ones in public.



    Quote Originally Posted by JXONE View Post
    It seems to me that its just to show off. And it freaks the public out even more then they are.
    Well, that will be the end result, and there will be a clamoring to fix the loophole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JXONE View Post
    Ok, I understand the politics.
    But, how does an unloaded gun protect you and your family from danger?
    It seems to me that its just to show off. And it freaks the public out even more then they are.

    At this point it's not about protection, but about protesting CA's gun laws. Yeah, it freaks out the public but that's what they've been forced to resort to. Empty holster protests are good and all, but not going to get the attention they want. Yes, it will probably back-fire as the OC awareness campaign all ready did, I would not be surprised if continued Rifle Rallies resulted in an "Emergency Session" of the CA legislature or something.

    In the long run they are most likely hoping for a chance to get a case before the Supreme Court regarding CA's restrictions being unreasonable. I doubt this will fast track such proceedings and will most likely incur further infringement of Californians rights pertaining to firearms.

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    What is the saying...Fool me once shame on you....

    They just lost the right to carry an unloaded handgun and now let's see what to do? Oh I know lets wander around with unloaded rifles to show them they can. So how does this work they carry a hi point carbine instead of their AR in case they get arrested so they dont loose much? Your SA while OC'ing a handgun had to be increased I cannot even imagine what level you have to have now. What about weapon retention? No one hand on the gun here and fight with the other.
    The young lady with the shotgun on her shoulder she is supposed to protect that how? Come on guys.

    At this point I don't know who is stranger the California lawmakers or the gun owners.

    Just wanted to add/ask. Ok the gent with the M4 with the mag in. When someone calls and says there is a man with a loaded rifle walking down the street how is LE supposed to respond? Is the magazine in? Yep ok rifle deemed loaded. Stop and approach but wait they are violating his rights!!!! Is he violating the law? Are there rounds in the mag?
    If I see a person here in Iraq with a rifle, and a mag inserted the weapon is considered loaded by anyone's standards whether there is a round in the chamber or rounds in the mag but just wait someone will scream harassment if this guy or someone like him is stopped. So please explain how LE is supposed to respond?
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Could California gun owners be any dumber?
    Didn't we just witness how well this tactic worked for handguns??? When they ban unloaded long guns maybe we should march around with sacks of ammo and see if we can get them banned as well!
    To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will.
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    So you're all suggesting they do not engage in their Right for fear it may be removed?

    Don't you see how a$$ backwards that is? If you can't practice it because it will be taken away if you do... ya don't really have it anyway.
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    So you're all suggesting they do not engage in their Right for fear it may be removed?

    Not at all. CHANGE BATTLE TACTICS. The open carry battle was lost, they got their butt kicked so lets do the same thing again on a grander scale so to speak and see how that works?
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Not at all. CHANGE BATTLE TACTICS. The open carry battle was lost, they got their butt kicked so lets do the same thing again on a grander scale so to speak and see how that works?
    And what new battle tactic would that be?

    I think they know very well how it will work.

    Given more recent federal judicial rulings on the Second Amendment, and given that the state of California is largely removing the individual's ability to engage in their Second Amendment Right... anyone else see a strategic angle here but me?

    California is so far gone this is about the only option left.

    Cowering in the corner being afraid to lose a largely irrelevant form of carry (unloaded long gun.... really?) is going to do nothing.

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    Cowering in the corner being afraid to lose a largely irrelevant form of carry (unloaded long gun.... really?) is going to do nothing.

    As was the irrelevant form of carry, the unloaded handgun really, it was going to do nothing. All I am saying is let it sit awhile. The jumping up and saying "You took handguns away but we will do this instead" is irrational and to me very stupid. It is like a double dog dare, One stroke of a pen is all it takes.

    Not saying cower in a corner, back up, regroup and attack from a different direction. You may be right the state may be to far gone but go for what you know if you lose it you lose it but blame no one but yourself, or themselves.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    After they lose the right to carry long guns... maybe they can carry a box of disassembled "machine parts" that can be assembled in less than 5 minutes, into a functional weapon.

    I'm hoping their long term strategy is to get SCOTUS to look at it, after someone sues over the lost right. But, that's gonna take time and money... and California may be the "new Atlantis" by then anyway.
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    I get the whole "lay low and strike later" idea but I guess I just believe that tactic would turn out to be fruitless. They were laying low for quite some time before the unloaded handgun OC debacle..... look where that got 'em.

    Maybe my opinion is different because I'm in a state where OC is the only legal form of carry until Nov 1, 2011 when the new concealed carry law kicks in. For years I watched people make the same comments about OC that it will only hurt the cause. They were wrong.

    oakchas picked up on what I hinted to in my last post: SCOTUS is the only thing that will help CA pro gun folks now.

    I think the pro gun activists in California know this.

    oakchas -- "machine parts"...... some funny stuff bud!

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    Trip not disagreeing. But I to watched for years at the OC movement poking a stick at the big dog in the name of educating the masses and for the lack of a better phrase, force feeding the issue.

    I posted months ago in one of the many OC debates on here that they needed to back off with the videos and "poking with a stick" attitudes and was told that This is the way to victory!!!! and that they were educating LE and the people so they would understand the movement but never just to draw attention. Well we all see how far that got them.

    Yes the legal fight is all that is left to them but going into the streets with long guns is idiotic. As I and others have said on here many times we the gun owning public will not carry the vote, it is the non gun toting citizens who will and what do they base their decisions on, right or wrong? What they see folks like this doing, or on youtube, or the local news. That is what is educating the citizens not them.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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