This is a discussion on Question About Open Carry You Tube within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MitchellCT It's called being an attention whore. The gun equivalent of wearing a little black dress & pumps that make you look ...
Well I guess everybody who starts a thread is trolling then, how dare we post something and read the responses. All I was pointing out is the disrespect I have for people who go around looking for a confrontation so they can post it on You Tube. That's not exercising your 2A, that's being a scumbag in my book.
Should Dr. King have not "flaunted" his right to peacefully assemble during the Civil Rights marches he held? By your way of thinking then the Civil Rights gained for minorities would never have come about.
This thread illustrates that we are divided within our own community of firearms enthusiasts and personal protection proponents. We really are our own worst enemy. Some of the hyperbole in this thread is disgusting to read as it's the same practice used by those in the anti-gun movement.
There is no difference between a Brady Campaign member calling you "Rambo" for wanting to carry a firearm for protection, as compared to some of the members of this forum using terms such as "attention whore" or similar when referring to an open carrier.
I'm sure it's a hard pill to swallow, however what it boils down to is an individual is doing something that you're not particularly comfortable with for whatever reason, and so you deride that person by making them out to be some extremist loony tune. That is anti-gun playbook 101.
Maybe a little off topic...
I haven't tried to find any further info on this but...Has anyone heard the final out come of the situation in TN(I think it was TN) The town which had the 100+year old law on the books(thereby avoiding state preemption) which made carrying a Navy Revolver in the hand the only legal way to carry a gun? A young man who was labeled a troublemaker was arrested for carrying a Navy Revolver in his hand. Again, he was not only not breaking any law, he was scrupulously following the law.
I wonder. Was I flaunting my rights when I tell my elected Representatives how I feel about issues? Was I flaunting my rights when I refused to allow my car to be searched? When I voted?
EDIT: My father was a cop until he retired in the late sixties. He had a term for folks that demanded or flaunted their rights. He called them upity. Seems time does not change everything.
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
I used to feel much like the original poster and the others who feel that way. I've developed and come to really understand the issue, and I've done it the hard way. Let me share a bit.
I've always been very pro 2A and had my concealed. But I am also in the sports bar business and years ago prevented open carry in my businesses. This was really to appease employee's comfort level. Well, I became the target of the VCDL here in Virginia in July 2006 with an email campaign....now I'm a member! Their tactics were pretty heavy handed and their many members very confrontational without interest in anything except yelling their point. MANY were great correspondences with some educational back & forth between myself and them. I received northwards of 300 emails at a time in my life I wanted nothing more than to tell them to go F themselves, I had just lost my 7 year old son in a drowning accident the month before. Back in 2006-2007 I believe there was a much more forceful effort by VCDL against businesses banning OC which backfired on them sometimes. I find the organization much more inclined to work hard to educate a business now before pushing harder.
Why do I go through all that background? Because I think most people go through the same education process I went through. At first you see the OC groups & individuals as confrontational, looking for trouble, and harmful to the the 2A supporters. Then if you really look at it, you realize that without persons fighting for your rights and pushing against illegal restrictions those rights go away. It is not my way nor will I ever be the person who is disrespectful to law enforcement but the fact is if you are being wrongly stopped, illegally detained, asked for information and ID's in a manner that pretends you do not have an option to provide them, then those tactics are no more right than the tactics of the OC groups who are really ensuring all our rights remain intact.
While I do not believe the civil rights movement is the same as the OC and 2A movement (some will disagree with good cause since a right is a right) the actions are parallel. There are rights being restricted by law enforcement through questionable actions and there are activists doing nothing more than exercising their rights and pushing against wrongly exercised authority. I appreciate most of what the OC crowd does, even it it is not the way I would personally go about it.
That's My 2c !