Question About Open Carry You Tube

This is a discussion on Question About Open Carry You Tube within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MitchellCT It's called being an attention whore. The gun equivalent of wearing a little black dress & pumps that make you look ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    It's called being an attention whore.

    The gun equivalent of wearing a little black dress & pumps that make you look so good, and turns heads when you walk by.
    I will agree that there are those who want to attract attention. I still say that the police should know the laws they claim to be enforcing. If you are breaking no law they should leave you alone.

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    Well I guess everybody who starts a thread is trolling then, how dare we post something and read the responses. All I was pointing out is the disrespect I have for people who go around looking for a confrontation so they can post it on You Tube. That's not exercising your 2A, that's being a scumbag in my book.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbledork View Post
    So basically, you started this thread to troll. Nice job! Just kidding, you fail. I don't respect people who don't respect the rights of others, whether it's police, or anonymous people on internet forums. And, carrying a gun in the open isn't flaunting, it's carrying a gun in the open. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugerguy View Post
    Well I guess everybody who starts a thread is trolling then, how dare we post something and read the responses. All I was pointing out is the disrespect I have for people who go around looking for a confrontation so they can post it on You Tube. That's not exercising your 2A, that's being a scumbag in my book.
    Its a tough situation though, because it is true that a right not excercised is a right lost. Open carry draws attention for sure, but you need to draw attention to something in order to make people aware and less afraid. When you make people aware cops are going to get called and take notice. Its a really tough situation and its hard attack or defend the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugerguy View Post
    I know OC is often legal and even no permit required in some states. I guess all I should have said here was that I don't respect people who love flaunting 2A rights in front of police.
    It's not flaunting anything. One can not "flaunt" a right. One can exercise a right. And who cares if a right is exercised in front of police? Police being present when a right is exercised shouldn't be an issue UNLESS the police present have the intent to deny that right.

    Should Dr. King have not "flaunted" his right to peacefully assemble during the Civil Rights marches he held? By your way of thinking then the Civil Rights gained for minorities would never have come about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    An equally compelling argument can be made that they are making it tougher for all of us. The general public tends to be uncomfortable at the sight of openly-armed citizens, and become even more so when encounters become assertive or confrontational. When people do things which call attention to themselves, expect others to pay attention.
    No, they are not making it tougher for all of us, that is an absurd thing to say. They are in fact, fighting for all of our rights. They are not doing anything illegal. Period. So why would the police have any reason to stop them at all? That's the point they are making time and time again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Carrying concealed works for me, and countless others. My rights are exercised, and public calm is maintained.
    No, just your right to carry CONCEALED is exercised. The right that you totally ignore, and apparently are ok with letting die a withering death, isn't being exercised.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbledork View Post
    So basically, you started this thread to troll. Nice job! Just kidding, you fail. I don't respect people who don't respect the rights of others, whether it's police, or anonymous people on internet forums. And, carrying a gun in the open isn't flaunting, it's carrying a gun in the open. Try again.
    Well said. You Sir, are 100% correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    It's called being an attention whore.

    The gun equivalent of wearing a little black dress & pumps that make you look so good, and turns heads when you walk by.
    No it isn't, and to say that is foolish and disingenuous to an extreme.
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    This thread illustrates that we are divided within our own community of firearms enthusiasts and personal protection proponents. We really are our own worst enemy. Some of the hyperbole in this thread is disgusting to read as it's the same practice used by those in the anti-gun movement.

    There is no difference between a Brady Campaign member calling you "Rambo" for wanting to carry a firearm for protection, as compared to some of the members of this forum using terms such as "attention whore" or similar when referring to an open carrier.

    I'm sure it's a hard pill to swallow, however what it boils down to is an individual is doing something that you're not particularly comfortable with for whatever reason, and so you deride that person by making them out to be some extremist loony tune. That is anti-gun playbook 101.
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    Maybe a little off topic...

    I haven't tried to find any further info on this but...Has anyone heard the final out come of the situation in TN(I think it was TN) The town which had the 100+year old law on the books(thereby avoiding state preemption) which made carrying a Navy Revolver in the hand the only legal way to carry a gun? A young man who was labeled a troublemaker was arrested for carrying a Navy Revolver in his hand. Again, he was not only not breaking any law, he was scrupulously following the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Carrying concealed works for me, and countless others. My rights are exercised, and public calm is maintained.
    If you don't need a license to do it, it's a right. If you have to have a license to do it, it's a privilege. So far, carrying concealed is a right in Vermont, Alaska, and I think Wyoming...oh, and I think now, also Arizona. Everywhere else, it's a privilege.

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    I wonder. Was I flaunting my rights when I tell my elected Representatives how I feel about issues? Was I flaunting my rights when I refused to allow my car to be searched? When I voted?
    Just curious.

    EDIT: My father was a cop until he retired in the late sixties. He had a term for folks that demanded or flaunted their rights. He called them upity. Seems time does not change everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    I wonder. Was I flaunting my rights when I tell my elected Representatives how I feel about issues? Was I flaunting my rights when I refused to allow my car to be searched? When I voted?
    Just curious.

    EDIT: My father was a cop until he retired in the late sixties. He had a term for folks that demanded or flaunted their rights. He called them upity. Seems time does not change everything.

    Michael
    Uppity for demanding rights??? I think I need to change my name. Call me MajorUppity.

    Personally, your dad's attitude is typical of the folks who think rights are really privileges handed down from the Lord of the Manor to his serfs. Nanny State mentality.
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    I used to feel much like the original poster and the others who feel that way. I've developed and come to really understand the issue, and I've done it the hard way. Let me share a bit.

    I've always been very pro 2A and had my concealed. But I am also in the sports bar business and years ago prevented open carry in my businesses. This was really to appease employee's comfort level. Well, I became the target of the VCDL here in Virginia in July 2006 with an email campaign....now I'm a member! Their tactics were pretty heavy handed and their many members very confrontational without interest in anything except yelling their point. MANY were great correspondences with some educational back & forth between myself and them. I received northwards of 300 emails at a time in my life I wanted nothing more than to tell them to go F themselves, I had just lost my 7 year old son in a drowning accident the month before. Back in 2006-2007 I believe there was a much more forceful effort by VCDL against businesses banning OC which backfired on them sometimes. I find the organization much more inclined to work hard to educate a business now before pushing harder.

    Why do I go through all that background? Because I think most people go through the same education process I went through. At first you see the OC groups & individuals as confrontational, looking for trouble, and harmful to the the 2A supporters. Then if you really look at it, you realize that without persons fighting for your rights and pushing against illegal restrictions those rights go away. It is not my way nor will I ever be the person who is disrespectful to law enforcement but the fact is if you are being wrongly stopped, illegally detained, asked for information and ID's in a manner that pretends you do not have an option to provide them, then those tactics are no more right than the tactics of the OC groups who are really ensuring all our rights remain intact.

    While I do not believe the civil rights movement is the same as the OC and 2A movement (some will disagree with good cause since a right is a right) the actions are parallel. There are rights being restricted by law enforcement through questionable actions and there are activists doing nothing more than exercising their rights and pushing against wrongly exercised authority. I appreciate most of what the OC crowd does, even it it is not the way I would personally go about it.

    That's My 2c !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    The deal is, if you give in, and hand over your ID, and the ONLY reason they stopped you was that you were LAWFULLY OCing, you're surrendering your rights. Specifically, the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. Courts have already ruled that OCing (where legal) is not reasonable articulable suspicion to stop and ID someone. In other words, if the LEO's only reason for stopping someone, is that they are OCing, and it's legal, they are not required to identify themselves.

    If you want to "give in," that's your choice. Myself, I see such an opportunity as a learning experience for the LEO. Assuming, I'm not on a schedule. But, as I said above, I've never been stopped JUST for OCing. I keep waiting, but it seems most of the LEOs I run into, are aware of the law. Funny that. :)
    And the reason blacks are no longer riding in the back of the bus, eating at the back door of restaurants etc. is not because they went along to get along!
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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    And the reason blacks are no longer riding in the back of the bus, eating at the back door of restaurants etc. is not because they went along to get along!
    And many got beaten, arrested, jailed, lynched and murdered in the process. They were fighting for rights they did not have. We already have the right to carry. Do public displays of firearms enhance that right, or jeopardize it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    And many got beaten, arrested, jailed, lynched and murdered in the process. They were fighting for rights they did not have. We already have the right to carry. Do public displays of firearms enhance that right, or jeopardize it?
    Do you really have a right you are afraid to exercise?? And yes there is a cost to restrain an over baring government. I have OCed just to see the reaction of LEO, in central Missouri it was no problem, actually had a couple pleasant conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Do you really have a right you are afraid to exercise?? And yes there is a cost to restrain an over baring government. I have OCed just to see the reaction of LEO, in central Missouri it was no problem, actually had a couple pleasant conversations.
    Why would I be afraid? I exercise that right nearly everywhere I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Why would I be afraid? I exercise that right nearly everywhere I go.
    You exercise your right to open carry? That is what we are discussing here.

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