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This is a discussion on Question About Open Carry You Tube within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 Sorry you are having a tough time with the analogy. Rights, many of which are inherent, are subject to regulation. Licensing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Sorry you are having a tough time with the analogy. Rights, many of which are inherent, are subject to regulation. Licensing is but one of many of those regulations.
    As I understand it, the right to keep and bear arms is not supposed to be infringed, yet we have tons of infringement. As for the analogy, I don't see what public urination has to do with self defense.


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    All I know is that if I see a guy open carrying and publicly urinating, I'm going to leave him alone.
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    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

    There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.

    Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

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    Last week I and my family (impressionable sons included) attended the "Grand Illumination" of the Norfolk/Portsmouth waterfront area and the Norfolk Grand Illumination parade. Afterward, we were waiting in a long slow line to board the ferry, to cross the Elizabeth River back to our car. In essence we were a captive audience of a street preacher since we had no other recourse but to wait in the snail's pace line to get home. In other words, we realistically didn't have the option to remove ourselves from the area unless we wanted to abandon our place in line and attempt to hire a taxi, and the kids really enjoy the ferry ride.

    This street preacher was talking about sin, different types of sin, and getting rather specific but without using foul language. He was also making some very pointed accusations about other prominent Christians that he felt were working for Satan. I was not a sermon for small children. Not too far away from him were three Norfolk LEOs, chatting amongst themselves.

    I didn't want my kids hearing what he was saying specifically, but on the other hand he was exercising his right speech in a public place. I was uncomfortable. The LEOs didn't prone him out, threaten him, or take him away, and I didn't expect them to, not did it ever cross my mind that they should. The same should be true for OCing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    As I understand it, the right to keep and bear arms is not supposed to be infringed, yet we have tons of infringement. As for the analogy, I don't see what public urination has to do with self defense.
    It says infringed. It does not say regulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    It says infringed. It does not say regulated.
    Tell that to the people who live in NYC, California, Chicago and other places where their rights have been "regulated" away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    All I know is that if I see a guy open carrying and publicly urinating, I'm going to leave him alone.
    LOL, makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    LE has a duty to respond if called so yes they have to take the bait on occasion but again these ambassadors of the gun world are teaching and showing everyone they have their rights of course it does not matter they look utterly stupid doing it but whatever floats their boat.

    Nope AR at the salad bar is not illegal it is a dumb butt stunt to get attention and for shock value. It makes gun owners in general look like a bunch of morons wanting to shoot someone but it is his god given right to do it and gain attention and "Edumicate" the public on what his rights are, right up to the point those rights are taken away. Dont believe me? Ask someone involved in the OC movement in California it worked really good there.
    Yes the police should respond when called. We just seem to disagree on the response. In my opinion their response should not be to hassle someone who is not breaking the law.

    Is the guy at the salad bar doing something stupid? Again we agree, unless he is walking home from the shooting range or some other place where his AR was necessary to have.
    Even then I would agree that it is not a good idea to carry one around in public.

    We both agree that in many cases these folks are attempting top provoke reaction. I hope we can agree that in many other cases the open carrier has no desire to be hassled.

    What we disagree on is the reaction of the police. They should know the law they claim to be enforcing. They should not use their position of authority to strong arm the public into giving up their rights.
    Is it to much to ask of the police to be left alone if you are breaking no law? If a man with a gun call is received and the man is breaking no law whats wrong with informing the caller that it is not against the law to carry?

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    I applaud those that OC because they choose to and aren't looking for YouTube BS celebrity. The stigma associated with guns in general keep me CCing as I do not want to be labeled as a 'gun nut' in my small community because of the impact it would have on my 3 teens. But, once the kids are older I can envision OCing occasionally (as I have in VT, ME, and CO while in the back country). Seeking confrontation....and posting to YouTube...does no help us protect our 2a rights. I think you can advance the cause and make a point, while also being non-confrontational. That said, you won't catch me OCing in Philly due to the police POV on OC.
    Exercise your 2nd amendment rights....not doing so jeopardizes that right for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    Tell that to the people who live in NYC, California, Chicago and other places where their rights have been "regulated" away.
    Those are splendid examples of infringement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Is it to much to ask of the police to be left alone if you are breaking no law? If a man with a gun call is received and the man is breaking no law whats wrong with informing the caller that it is not against the law to carry?

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    Ain't that the truth...

    Unfortunately, even when that happens (listen to this 911 call: Part 1... Part 2...), it doesn't help.

    If you don't want to listen to the entire discussion you can skip to about the 3:50 mark in part 1 to hear dispatch inform the caller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    If you don't need a license to do it, it's a right. If you have to have a license to do it, it's a privilege. (that can be taken away at will without provocation) So far, carrying concealed is a right in Vermont, Alaska, and I think Wyoming...oh, and I think now, also Arizona. Everywhere else, it's a privilege.
    I agree with this wholeheartedly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamF View Post
    You don't have to be THAT guy. You can be the guy who just sits back and watches as our rights are eroded one at a time. Ever hear the one that starts, "First they came for the Jews..."
    Oh, Cmon. Do you think that a single guy making an arse of himself is doing anyone any good? Nope. If you want to fight for carry laws and pro-gun legislation, do it with your ballots on election day and support national organizations like the NRA.

    A lot of pro gun people I know are also pro union. Most politicians that are pro union are anti-gun. But those people vote for the pro union politicians and then complain about the government infringing on our 2nd amendment rights and say that a rogue OC'er is somehow "fighting the good fight". If you want to fight the good fight, vote out the socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Oh, Cmon. Do you think that a single guy making an arse of himself is doing anyone any good? Nope. If you want to fight for carry laws and pro-gun legislation, do it with your ballots on election day and support national organizations like the NRA.

    A lot of pro gun people I know are also pro union. Most politicians that are pro union are anti-gun. But those people vote for the pro union politicians and then complain about the government infringing on our 2nd amendment rights and say that a rogue OC'er is somehow "fighting the good fight". If you want to fight the good fight, vote out the socialists.
    If it is legal to open carry where you live the fight has already gone past the ballot. That person making a fool of himself is within his rights. I may not like what he is doing but I cherish the freedom he has to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    If it is legal to open carry where you live the fight has already gone past the ballot.
    Michael
    The fight is NEVER "past" the ballot. It is always ongoing and gun laws are always under attack. I think gun people get complacent that way. But I agree with you 100%.

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    I am not saying anything bad about OC'ers I am merely using this as an example.

    A call is received of a man with a gun in the parking lot of Denny's. "It's ok sir it is legal to open carry a firearm in this state and we will not dispatch an officer".

    5 minutes later said man openly carrying a firearm begins a shooting rampage killing 4 and then himself. The crowd goes wild "Why was an officer not sent" "This could have been prevented" Families sue the city for failure to act causing the death of a family member. If only they had dispatched an officer maybe the guy would have given up, or the officer could have eliminated the threat.

    We never know what will happen. Yes it may be a guy legally carrying but what if it is not? Should there be a 100ft rule? or Observe for 2 minutes? Just as we have the right to carry others have a right to call the police and be concerned that is their right to.

    We will just have to agree to disagree on some of this. Yes attitude is everything on both the part of the OC'er and the officer involved and we both agree "that guy" can make us all look bad.
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