I'm watching You tube and feel compelled to ask, why do some OC people want to be stopped and checked and give police a hard time? it just makes me sick that they are intentionally pushing the boundaries. Am I missing something here?
In a perfect world the Government would obey the law and there would be no consequences.I'll be honest, I like open carry and do it when I feel like it.
However, if I knew I lived in an area that it would cause me grief, legal or not, I'd probably not do it simply because I don't have the desire to deal with the consequences. I'm married and a father of three small kids, my time is better spent hanging out with them than dealing with problems for doing something I knew I'd probably get grief for.
I guess I'm fortunate that it's not that way, because I do enjoy the freedom of choice.
My friend, first may I say that I am sorry to hear about the loss of your child. My wife and I lost a child in 2000, so i know your pain and i completely understand what you went through. It's horrible.I used to feel much like the original poster and the others who feel that way. I've developed and come to really understand the issue, and I've done it the hard way. Let me share a bit.
I've always been very pro 2A and had my concealed. But I am also in the sports bar business and years ago prevented open carry in my businesses. This was really to appease employee's comfort level. Well, I became the target of the VCDL here in Virginia in July 2006 with an email campaign....now I'm a member! Their tactics were pretty heavy handed and their many members very confrontational without interest in anything except yelling their point. MANY were great correspondences with some educational back & forth between myself and them. I received northwards of 300 emails at a time in my life I wanted nothing more than to tell them to go F themselves, I had just lost my 7 year old son in a drowning accident the month before. Back in 2006-2007 I believe there was a much more forceful effort by VCDL against businesses banning OC which backfired on them sometimes. I find the organization much more inclined to work hard to educate a business now before pushing harder.
Why do I go through all that background? Because I think most people go through the same education process I went through. At first you see the OC groups & individuals as confrontational, looking for trouble, and harmful to the the 2A supporters. Then if you really look at it, you realize that without persons fighting for your rights and pushing against illegal restrictions those rights go away. It is not my way nor will I ever be the person who is disrespectful to law enforcement but the fact is if you are being wrongly stopped, illegally detained, asked for information and ID's in a manner that pretends you do not have an option to provide them, then those tactics are no more right than the tactics of the OC groups who are really ensuring all our rights remain intact.
While I do not believe the civil rights movement is the same as the OC and 2A movement (some will disagree with good cause since a right is a right) the actions are parallel. There are rights being restricted by law enforcement through questionable actions and there are activists doing nothing more than exercising their rights and pushing against wrongly exercised authority. I appreciate most of what the OC crowd does, even it it is not the way I would personally go about it.
That's My 2c !
Enhance, without question.And many got beaten, arrested, jailed, lynched and murdered in the process. They were fighting for rights they did not have. We already have the right to carry. Do public displays of firearms enhance that right, or jeopardize it?
You do not need to beg the government for a permit to vote.I am not sure I agree, I believe CC and OC are rights, but rights can be regulated. I have the right to vote, however, the govenrment does impose regulations on the exercise of that right.
Uppity for demanding rights??? I think I need to change my name. Call me MajorUppity.I wonder. Was I flaunting my rights when I tell my elected Representatives how I feel about issues? Was I flaunting my rights when I refused to allow my car to be searched? When I voted?
Just curious.
EDIT: My father was a cop until he retired in the late sixties. He had a term for folks that demanded or flaunted their rights. He called them upity. Seems time does not change everything.
Michael
I am not sure I agree, I believe CC and OC are rights, but rights can be regulated. I have the right to vote, however, the govenrment does impose regulations on the exercise of that right.If you're talking about CC, that's not a right, it's a privilege. If you don't need a license for it, it's a right.
Lets say this is true that they do want to be stopped. I'm sure there are those who do.Mlr1m and others you are kidding right. "What makes you think they want to be stopped?"
As stated the majority of people who OC do it for self protection but the "1%" as you call them get all the airtime with the film crew that is following them around. It has been posted on here and beaten to death many do it just to get attention. They carry cheap firearms they have no intent to defend themselves with and dont lose anything if they are confiscated I was informed of this right here in the OC forum. Some carry long guns just cause they can for shock value or to draw attention all under the premise that "We are educating the public".
I have no problem with OC but as was stated in another post you are the ambassadors for everyone who carries a firearm and I assure you that "one guy" will be the one who makes the news or gets 3 zillion hits on youtube will be the one we are all judged by.
What makes you think they want to be stopped? Well the AR at the salad bar is my first clue.
Yes the police should respond when called. We just seem to disagree on the response. In my opinion their response should not be to hassle someone who is not breaking the law.LE has a duty to respond if called so yes they have to take the bait on occasion but again these ambassadors of the gun world are teaching and showing everyone they have their rights of course it does not matter they look utterly stupid doing it but whatever floats their boat.
Nope AR at the salad bar is not illegal it is a dumb butt stunt to get attention and for shock value. It makes gun owners in general look like a bunch of morons wanting to shoot someone but it is his god given right to do it and gain attention and "Edumicate" the public on what his rights are, right up to the point those rights are taken away. Dont believe me? Ask someone involved in the OC movement in California it worked really good there.